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Author Topic:   Dominant Force in West Today According to Dennis Prager is Fear of Left
Faith 
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Message 70 of 308 (866519)
11-12-2019 12:00 PM
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11-12-2019 11:44 AM


Re: Irony
No it's becvause I know the kind of reception Trump Jr. Has been getting on the various conservative talk shows and your report doesn't reflect that reception.
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Message 71 of 308 (866521)
11-12-2019 12:03 PM
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11-12-2019 11:55 AM


Re: Promoting Cautiously. Topic Will Be Moderated.
I know you hate Trump, I know the ways you disagree with me, I wonder why nobody else does.

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Message 72 of 308 (866522)
11-12-2019 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by AZPaul3
11-12-2019 11:50 AM


Re: Irony
Please do not insult me. I know what I'm saying and why, I don't need your jaundiced ideological putdowns, thank you.

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Message 82 of 308 (866547)
11-12-2019 3:01 PM
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11-12-2019 1:35 PM


Re: Irony
Why should I believe they are Trump supporters. What's the evidence?

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Message 83 of 308 (866549)
11-12-2019 3:05 PM
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11-12-2019 1:26 PM


Re: Facts you won't even read
I have no idea what you are are talking about.

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Message 84 of 308 (866551)
11-12-2019 3:07 PM
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11-12-2019 1:35 PM


Re: Irony
Doesn't sound like a conservative crowd to me.

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Message 87 of 308 (866578)
11-12-2019 6:36 PM
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11-12-2019 5:52 PM


Re: Irony
And I should trust the Guardian, why?
Sorry this is just too fishy. Are you unaware of all the leftist infiltrations of conservative events over the last few years?
Oh gosh, I guess we aren't allowed to talk about all that at EvC are we? Nope, can't use the word "Leftist" or anything that identifies the Left as the evil force it is in today's world. Nope.;l
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Message 94 of 308 (866639)
11-13-2019 5:32 PM


Leftist ideology and economics
This post by AZPaul Message 62 was part of an off-topic discussion on the thread about how white skin and blue eyes evolved. It's a statement of the liberal or leftist point of view so I figure it fits here pretty well.
AZP writes:
I just want a better life for people without hurting anyone. That means education and medical care and nutritional care and freedom from prejudice, religious and economic violence. And in this world today that means wealth redistribution and confiscatory taxes on the extremely wealthy and anti-discrimination laws and hate crime laws with zealous enforcement and real hard jail time.
How else are we going to provide for the less fortunate in our society? Let them suffer? Let them die? To save a multibillionaire another $$ hundred billion? So Nazis can throw gays and jews off of buildings?
Self control and Voluntary altruism are not working. It's time we try something else.
Where are the christians in this country? Why do they only cry for jesus when invoking the prosperity gospel and social hatreds?
So OK let's say your heart is in the right place. But what about your analysis of the situation?
What's wrong with what Trump has done for the poor? Including blacks and Hispanics. I forget how many million, three, seven, eight? have gone off unemployement and food stamps and got jobs thanks to his policies, such as cutting taxes. Isn't that good for the poor? It's also good for the country.
If you take money from the multi millionairs and the billionaires, by whatever means, they are just going to leave the country and take their jobs with them. What good is that going to do for anybody? And besides, the confiscatory taxes are then going to fall on the middle class who can't afford them. Small businesses won't be able to keep employees and may even go out of business. People won't be able to pay their mortgages and may lose their homes. So we'll be adding to the poor classes, maybe even to the tent cities. Eliminate the middle class and get back to the third world formula of rich and poor and nothing in between. That's what those policies would do. And they wouldn't help the poor you want to help, except maybe in the very first round when some money would be available.
Hey and then the farmers will go and we'll all be standing in the proverbial bread lines for the last loaf of moldy bread.
Also I just had a conversation about this with another conservative who said when taxes are cut as Trump has done it even benefits the government, they get MORE tax money because the economy improves so much that even a lower rate of taxation brings in more money. So there's more money for all the entitlement programs too. He said this was the case under Kennedy and Reagan and Bush and now Trump when they cut taxes. So why is the Left trying to change policies to something that is only going to grow the number of poor and wreck the economy? Capitalism is the reason America became so enormously prosperous that it was said even our poor classes were richer than any poor classes anywhere else.
So here comes all the Leftist propaganda pretending to be facts.
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Message 96 of 308 (866642)
11-13-2019 6:03 PM
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11-13-2019 5:58 PM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
OK I find it hard to keep all this clearly in mind but there is something called "baseline budgeting" which has something to do with a Congreswsional Rule that goes back to the seventies that automatically adds to their entitlement programs some percentage every year so that that part of the budge keeps automatically growing and is guarded by the Democrat bulldogs so that there is essentially no way to cut any of that, and it amounts to something like 70% of the budget. That's the main cause of the huge deficit and woe be to any conservative who tries to cut it. But if they increase the military budget at all, which is about 20% pof the total, they get blamed for the whole huge deficit. So Trump might like to cut the budge but in reality it isn't possible, and since he wants a strong military it's going to keep growing no matter what he might prefer to cut.
The other thing is that it is a fact that those millions are off unemployment and food stamps and have jobs, which can't be explained by anything but the tax cuts which stimiulated the economy so that there are more jobs, and apparently trickle-down really does work. I know you don't want to believe it but Obama had all those millions on food stamps and Trump got them off and put them to work.
I know the Left doesn't want you to think so because that ideology benefits the governing class at the expense of evyerbody else. Buying into all that is a big mistake.
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Message 101 of 308 (866647)
11-14-2019 3:20 AM
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11-13-2019 7:02 PM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
I'm not sure which parts are untouchable but what I heard was that it amounts to about 70% of the budget and has an automatic yearly increase so that even if nothing at all was added in a given year the deficit would keep growing anyway.

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Message 104 of 308 (866656)
11-14-2019 9:03 AM
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11-14-2019 8:42 AM


Re: Leftist ideology and economics
Very simple solution: Don't read my postsw.

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Message 129 of 308 (866726)
11-15-2019 6:33 AM
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11-14-2019 8:00 PM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
what are we being saved from?
Hell.
Many religions have a Hell or other form of punishment in the afterlife. Only Christianity has a Savior from it.

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Message 131 of 308 (866731)
11-15-2019 8:34 AM
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11-15-2019 7:27 AM


Re: Fear Of The Left vs Fear Of being Left Behind
him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

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Message 133 of 308 (866734)
11-15-2019 8:44 AM
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11-15-2019 8:36 AM


Re: There is no hell to fear
God created everything good. But He alsomade it possible for free creatures to disobey Him. First the angels and then human beings disobeyed Him. And there are natural consequences of that, consequences in this life and in the life to come since human beings are immortal. Hell is a natural consequence of the violation of the perfect good Moral Law. The Moral Law can't change. If it is violated the violator must be punished. There are various ways this is recognized in other religions than Christianity, such as the concept of Karma in estern religions. those religions also recognize a Hell. Different religions have different versions of punishment in the afterlife but

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Message 144 of 308 (866764)
11-15-2019 1:45 PM
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11-15-2019 12:22 PM


Re: There is no hell to fear
There is a Buddhist Hell as wlel as the hell of reincarnation, which is one form of punishment in those religions since they may come back as an animal or even an insect.

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