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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The point is I think most westerners believe Hell is a Christian invention, and finding out it is almost universal makes sense out of Christian doctrines of salvation that are presented as universally needed.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8558 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
What it shows, M'Lady, is how universally evil religion is.
Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
or it shows that there is a universal evil. I believe though cannot obviously prove that God created the possibility of evil which was actualized initially by rebel spirits and inherited by humans. Faith is right. Jesus Christ, God's incarnate character, was and is the solution. I realize that the whole story sounds quaint and archaic to some. I also realize that I will never find a way to prove it to anybody.
You will go on thinking it all a made-up fairytale and I will continue studying the apologists, challenging jar and ringo on Biblical interpretation, and listening to Faith, our champion poster of all. But you guys have to admit---she has worked very hard to attempt to be civil and not assassinate personal character. She and I may not agree on Biblical Creationism, but we do likely agree on the saving grace of Jesus Christ. I too would likely think it all a made-up story had I not gotten saved in 1993. Edited by Thugpreacha, : No reason given.Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8558 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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That is what I said. There is a universal evil and we call it religion.
The rest of your message is fantasy attempting to justify your snake oil remedy to the evil your creeds create.
I too would likely think it all a made-up story had I not gotten saved in 1993. May you soon awake from this long nightmare with your intellect intact.Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.
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Percy Member Posts: 22500 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
I'm not going to listen to this but did want to comment on the Unitarian Universalist religion. It is a bastard religion of no spiritual value formed by the merger of the Unitarians with the Universalists. The merger destroyed Unitarianism as Universalist non-religious dogma took over. A few independent Unitarian churches do remain. --Percy
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Phat Member Posts: 18345 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
The podcaster actually comes to the same conclusion..UU is not for him.
Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. ~RC Sproul "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " ~"We, humans, are engaged in an ongoing war of ideologies. I see it in this microcosm of EvC Forum just as I see it in the governments and attitudes of people throughout the world. Take your pick: Oppression or Seduction . "~Thugpreacha You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo
As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.? R.C. Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Yes I know there are many versions of the afterlife but I was particularly surprised by the existence of places of punishment or Hells because I'd though Hell was strictly Christian. If there exist many cultures with such places of punishment, ... ... Even where the afterlife seems pleasant there usually turns out to be some part of it for punishing the wicked. In any case however many there are it is a theme that is found more frequenctly that I had expected. ... and ignoring the fact that there are many belief systems that don't, and moreover, that those that do, have several versions where some similar punishment is not forever, or some where is not as extreme ...
... it makes sense of some biblical doctrines that seem to suggest that the whole world yearns for a Savior. ... And Chistianity is the only religion that offers a Savior. The Savior IS in fact the religion of Christianity. Salvation is what it is all about. ... So only Christianity offers a "savior" to avoid eternal punishment, while the other religions have alternate ways to get out of jail.
... Transformative and perfecting, saving us from sin, and from the Moral Law that we sin against, and a universal Moral Law is recognized in some form or other in many religions. Hinduism anhd Buddhism for sure. A law at least that rewards and punishes you for good and bad behavior. Karma for instance. Other religions deal with morals and positive or negative behaviors in different ways, and it seems to me that the fundamentalist Christian method was the worst.
Liberalism is a bogus development in Christianity, a conforming to the world that is specifically warned against in scripture. ... According to your worldview. There are many Christians who disagree with you.
Liberalism is a bogus development in Christianity, a conforming to the world that is specifically warned against in scripture. According to your worldview. There are many Christians who disagree with you. For myself I look at who walks the walk rather than just talk the talk, and I find liberal Christians more "Christlike" in their behavior that fundamentalist "Christians" and it seems we have more to fear from the right than the left, and I do this by looking around the world at alt-right movements and violence. Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
I'm still waiting for you to present anything resembling a challenge.
... I will continue studying the apologists, challenging jar and ringo on Biblical interpretation.... Phat writes:
Faith is the last person you should listen to. Shame on you. ... and listening to Faith, our champion poster of all."If you can keep your head when all about you Are losing theirs and blaming it on you...." -- Rudyard Kipling
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Taq Member Posts: 10081 Joined: Member Rating: 5.1 |
Faith writes: The point is I think most westerners believe Hell is a Christian invention, and finding out it is almost universal makes sense out of Christian doctrines of salvation that are presented as universally needed. It only shows that the scam is universal. None of those religions can offer evidence that Hell exists. Apparently, we need salvation from a place that only exists in the human imagination.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
It only shows that the scam is universal. None of those religions can offer evidence that Hell exists. Apparently, we need salvation from a place that only exists in the human imagination. More than that, it implies that the only way to get people to behave "properly" is to threaten them with the worst possible outcomes. Enjoy by our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Christianity is very clear that behaving properly won't accomplish anything. We're destined for Hell from birth. So there is no ground for threatening anyone with Hell for bad behavior.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 762 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined:
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What a dismal outlook on life! How do you force yourself to get out of bed in the morning?
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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Faith writes: Christianity is very clear that behaving properly won't accomplish anything. We're destined for Hell from birth. Only the perversion called Fundamental Christianity markets that; it's a profitable conjob.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
... We're destined for Hell from birth. ... That's not a threat? Enjoyby our ability to understand RebelAmericanZenDeist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
To me it's just a fact. And it explains a lot too, IMHO of course. The human condition in general. And the need for a Savior, which is why I brought it up. We can't avoid Hell by being good was the point.
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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