Theodoric writes:
I dispute the implication you are making that non-believers need to give fundies a pass because of their beliefs. If they are wrong they are wrong and should be called out.
Agreed. I do not expect you to give me any more of a pass than I give secular humanists. I have reached out and studied more of what they believe. In fact, I heard a great podcast on
Humanize Me of whose link I will share, for those interested:
Listen to "333: When I Spoke in Tongues, with Jessica Wilbanks" on Spreaker.
If you deny factual evidence because of your belief you should be called out.
There is no factual information that is conclusive. Thats my point.
If you spew hate and disinformation you should be called out. Facts dont change because of your beliefs or anyone else's beliefs.
Agreed. Spewing hate is not good. That includes hatred of believers simply because you see them as arrogant or biased against your favorite cultural god.
There is no exception to reality because of unevidenced, counter factual beliefs.
Again, there are no facts that are conclusive. All that the critics have are interpretations of scriptural authorship and reasons why it is wrong. The arguments are only going to sway those predisposed not to believe. We have every right to believe what we want and to share that with others. If you don't want to listen, it is not I who will leave the room. Out of courtesy, I will shut up, but you and your activists will never force me to take my ideas elsewhere. just so you know.
I agree that trying to change fundie minds is mostly a waste of time.
It's just as hard to penetrate your thick skull and angry mind! But enough fussing. I apologize. I agree that you shouldn't roll over if I or others spew hate or disinformation, but again, we live in a marketplace of ideas and your disinformation is as bad as my disinformation.
We should and must continue to challenge their rejection of scientific evidence and their promotion of ignorance and hate.
You seem to think that we always insist on spewing hate. I will admit that you push my buttons but I don't hate you or anyone else. You just annoy me at times.
You can revel in your own ignorance but do not expect it to go unchallenged.
Back atcha. Quid pro Quo, Dr.Lector?
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