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Message 22 of 73 (866503)
11-12-2019 11:00 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ski zawaski
11-11-2019 10:06 AM

I believe that white skin, blue eyes and blonde hair originated in Africa from dark skinned people interbreeding with albino people. I think the albino was regarded as a prize, maybe as a king queen or leader of a group. Their migration was mainly north to Scandinavia, staying together as a closed society with no more interbreeding with any dark skin people. Iv'e read that scientists say white skin blue eyed people are a product of living in northern cold climates with very little sunlight causing less melatonin in the skin. If that's the case, what about Eskimos or Mongolian race? Why don't they have blonde hair and blue eyes?
Although less melanin is associated with caucasoids, it shouldn't be confused with no melanin or how albinism occurs. Dark skin closer to the equator is extremely beneficial as it creates a barrier to harsh UV light where there is an abundance of it.
As migration out of Africa began, some branches of humans migrated to northern climates following big game. The darker skin that was so beneficial in tropical and subtropical climates were somewhat of a liability because the wintery, cloudy environment of the Ice Age. People that just so happened to have been born with lighter skin adapted better in that particular climate whereas it would have been a liability in warmer climates. In this new environment the lighter skin acts as a conduit able to soak up what very little UV light was available. This was important in a harsh and unforgiving climate for Vitamin D synthesis. You either ingest vitamin D or you synthesize it... and if you can't find enough food with sufficient levels of it, you have to be able to get that from the Sun. Well, in Europe during the Ice Age there's not much Sun.
As to your point about Eskimos and Mongols, they also have very light skin, likely because it was the most selective adaptation to that particular environment. Eskimos are Native American... the closer to the equator the darker the skin becomes because in that climate they have an abundance of sunlight. Dark skin protects against skin cancer. Same with the Asian population. Lighter skin towards the north (Korean peninsula, China, Japan) and darker towards the south (Vietnam, Myanmar, Indonesia, Phillipines, etc).
Dark/light eyes and dark/light hair are fairly benign in terms of offering anyone an environmental advantage from an evolutionary point of view.

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Message 58 of 73 (866585)
11-12-2019 7:44 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by AZPaul3
11-12-2019 5:12 PM

Re: American Genocide
We have a large population of Apache and Navajo in Arizona. Their view of this white man's holiday is quite different from that of the society that has systematically impoverished and deliberately exterminated their peoples and their cultures over these last 300 years.
I find the treatment of Native Americans often to be largely fictionalized by both sides. The mythos of Thanksgiving is based around kernel's of truth. There was a peace pact and a celebration of sorts. But this was in one area with one or two tribes and this occasion really only happened once. So the traditional aspect is grossly exaggerated. Other pacts between tribes and colonials were war pacts where the certain tribes sided with either the French, the English, or the Americans. It was an expedient for both sides.
Native Americans are often viewed homogeneously, as if belonging to one large group. The reality is that long before Europeans invaded foreign, tribes were as disparate and nuanced as any other tribe on earth. They damn sure didn't view one another as brothers but rather enemies... or in some cases, frenemies. The idealized "Noble Savage" narrative that's in touch with nature and passing the peace pipe is a Disney-fied version of history just as out of touch with historical reality as Thanksgiving is. Some tribes really were much more meek than others. Some, like the Comanches in particular, terrorized anyone not in their tribe -- whether colonials or other Native American tribes.
The barbarity of the Comanches, and some other tribes, were astonishing. And this wasn't consigned to only North America but also tribes in Central and South America reflect the same nature -- some being very meek and peaceful and others existing by brutality.
Long before the white man did N.A. tribes war with one another.
Having said that, no one can overlook how different settlers treated Natives. Some treated them well and wanted to live in harmony with them while many, many others brutalized them, used them, betrayed them in many instances and, while we're on the topic of savagery, also brutalized many different tribes to advance their view of Manifest Destiny.
My take on it is that, like it is with anything else, there's good people and there are bad people. They are mingled in with different races. There's no such thing as a benevolent race or a malevolent race. There's only good people and bad people and they are scattered throughout the earth.
Am I bothered by their eventual fate? Sure, how can you not be? Land was given back to them and there's not a single reservation flourishing anywhere in the United States. All of them are downtrodden.
I lived in Flagstaff for a few years ('04 - '06) and I met plenty of Navajo and Hopi peoples. I found that many didn't seem to want to dwell on the past but were much more interested in the future. I met others that looked at me with the coldest disdain imaginable because I was a representation of all that was wrong in their world.
Whatever the case, its incontestable that just as slavery was a scar on the American conscience, so too has been the fate of Natives.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 61 of 73 (866595)
11-12-2019 8:44 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by Theodoric
11-12-2019 8:20 PM

Re: American Genocide
I want to make clear. I am not attacking you or your post. All I am doing is pointing out inaccuracies in your post.
Your position was well-articulated with salient points that I perhaps did not consider. I will take your suggestion to heart and I appreciate the constructive dialogue.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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