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Faith 
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Message 18 of 73 (866498)
11-12-2019 10:20 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by ski zawaski
11-11-2019 10:06 AM


Skin Color is inherited.
My view is that skin color is built into the DNA of all human beings, and as it "evolves," meaning as different combinations get selected down the generations and then geographically isolated you can get whole "tribes" of people with a certain shade of skin color. So I believe that the white skin and blue eyes evolved in a certain sense, but as a playing out of preexistent genetic possibilities. I don't believe mutation had antying to do with it. Yes I know mutations can be pointed to here and there but they aren't needed and the built in DNA is enough to have generated every skin color on earth over just a few thousand years.

Basic science shows that if you reproductively isolate any part of any gene pool of any species so that they breed only among themselves, they will eventually become a new homogeneous population unto themselves, a new race if you will. All it takes is a few "founders" going off to a new geolographic location and not breeding with other members of the species, just amoung themselves. This group of founders will possess among themselves a particular combination of genetic possibilities that over time will blend together into a particular characteristic of the group as a whole. Half a dozen adults with their children could found a whole new tribe or race over a few hundred years.

Here's my favorite Mendel's square that shows how the human race could have started out with all the skin colors in our original parents. They would most likely have had a middle range of skin color themselves but their children would have had combinations of all the colors, and as they microevolved and spread out geographically they would form new groups with their own coloring along with other characteristics that would have been selected in the same way.

I post this Mendelian square from time to time and found it this time at Message 127 The square oritginally comes from Gary Parker in a creationist book. It shows the range of colors from darkest to lightest based only on two genes of two alleles each which is sufficient to get the enormous range of skin colors everywhere on earth.

By Edit: I tried to post the image URL twice and got an "image not found" message, then "Security violation." Since it seems to have posted all right on the post I linked I don't get why this might be, but I took it down because it was messing up the post.

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Message 26 of 73 (866530)
11-12-2019 12:42 PM
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11-12-2019 12:33 PM


Re: Skin Color is inherited.
It shows that it is possible for all the genetic material to be available since Adam and Eve, the particulars are **********. And I believe skin color is determined by many genes so one square **** that wouldn't express the reality. Though it COULD reflect the original situation with some set of genes since what we have now is changes in the genome over thousands of years.

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Message 30 of 73 (866544)
11-12-2019 2:47 PM
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11-12-2019 1:34 PM


Re: Skin Color is inherited and mutated.
Yes it shows that it's possible, despite all your evolutionist ****. Mutations schmutations, as long as you deny the truth of the Bible, it's all ****.

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Message 31 of 73 (866545)
11-12-2019 2:48 PM
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11-12-2019 12:57 PM


Re: Impatience Is Not A Virtue
the firsr Thanksgiving was happily shared between the local Indians and the Pilgrims.

So much for your ******* propaganda avatar.

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Message 34 of 73 (866553)
11-12-2019 3:09 PM
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11-12-2019 3:07 PM


Re: Impatience Is Not A Virtue
He changed it. You may need to wait for your browser to notice it or something.

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Message 37 of 73 (866556)
11-12-2019 3:11 PM
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11-12-2019 3:03 PM


Re: Skin Color is inherited and mutated.
there is no doubt that the Bible shows two human beings as the parents of all the rest of us. If you think otherwise it's just you as usual getting the Bible wrong. Good grief, it just occurred to me that I'm related to you!! Yikes.

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Message 38 of 73 (866557)
11-12-2019 3:13 PM
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11-12-2019 3:09 PM


Re: Impatience Is Not A Virtue
I already gave the true account of the first feast and sorry but I have no interest in yours without more of an introduction, because I know what you are likely to post. The propaganda here is so thick I don't need to read your ****.

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Message 43 of 73 (866563)
11-12-2019 3:26 PM
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11-12-2019 3:21 PM


Re: Skin Color is inherited and mutated.
As somebody pointed out this topic does not belong in the science forum and besides I consider the Biblical framework to be more reliable on all questions of science than your made-up science. What a bunch of **** you all preach and you call it science, ha ha ha.

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Message 44 of 73 (866564)
11-12-2019 3:28 PM
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11-12-2019 3:20 PM


Re: Impatience Is Not A Virtue
Your job is to present the content, I will not read a link posted by you. Bradford was also the source of the information I posted.

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Message 47 of 73 (866569)
11-12-2019 4:02 PM
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11-12-2019 3:49 PM


Re: Impatience Is Not A Virtue
I don't trust anything you say, that's the bottom ****.

Either produce some of the content or don't. I don't care either.


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Message 51 of 73 (866576)
11-12-2019 6:17 PM
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11-12-2019 5:57 PM


Re: Willful ignorance is not a virtue
STOP TALKING ABOUT ME. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT ME AT ALL, AND YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TALK ABOUT ME ANYWAY. THIS IS A TAVERN FOR ******** ONLY, IT CERTAINLY ISN'T FOR SOME OF US.

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Message 52 of 73 (866577)
11-12-2019 6:26 PM
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11-12-2019 5:12 PM


Anti-American Propaganda,
I'm sick of all the anti-American propaganda and that's all your avatar represents to me. And all you are doing is repeating all the propaganda points. The history is far more complex than that. In fact history is in general far more complex than anything ******** say about any of it, which is ALL propaganda, all manufactured ************ Marixist lies.

Gosh isn't it interesting how ********** has become the weapon of choice at EvC against ******* opinions? Kinda reminds a person of how the ********* world operates, oh and the Fascistic world too. That's what the Prager story was about that got posted recently, and interestingly enough treated to the very methods it was trying to expose. Gosh isn't that just too coincidental?

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Message 54 of 73 (866580)
11-12-2019 6:46 PM
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11-12-2019 6:42 PM


Re: Anti-American Propaganda,
Yeah, right, you've got all those ****** lies down pat, all the ** labels, such a conformist you are sad to say. Just as Prager says, it's all to ********** and shut us up. No, I'm not going to defend myself against the ******* propaganda machine, they're going to destroy the country and probably kill me too. You can have first swing at me if you ****. That's because I'm fond of you of course, so I give you permission to kill me. There are some ******** I would not want to be killed by so you should take it as a compliment..

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Message 59 of 73 (866590)
11-12-2019 8:15 PM
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11-12-2019 7:35 PM


Re: Anti-American **********,
Is my view ********* or is yours ******* **********? I don't usually try to find middle ground in this ideological war but in this case maybe that's where the ***** ****.

AbE Gosh pretty soon I'll have no words ****.\

Oh and here comes the lecture from Percy or someone else on behalf of poor abused EvC.

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