Pence would be a worse President than Trump???

True, until she completely redefines the world yet again ... and again ... and again.

Why do you still persist in repeating such pure crap liies?Volume One of the Mueller Report details a great many instances of collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign. At least 108 pages detailing that collusion (pp 66 - 174).All this time and you still have not read the report. Read the damned report! And stop your damned lying!

I'm not certain that Pence wants to create an American theocracy, but I'm sure that he is sympathetic to that agenda and so would not impede such an effort.One thing that is certain about Trump is that he has no ideology and that he will go along with anything so long as he thinks it will benefit him personally (or financially or politically ... keeping in mind that political benefits must also result in personal or financial benefits or else they don't count). That makes Trump pretty much the ultimate useful idiot -- an espionage term for an individual you can get to do your bidding without his realizing the treason that he is committing. Not only has Trump been doing everything that Putin (AKA "Trump's dear Puti-poo") would want him to do, but everybody in the Trump Administration with a personal or ideological agenda of their own (eg, Stephen Miller's white supremacism, evangelists' dominionism) is able to use Trump for their own purposes -- "Blow in my ear and I'll follow you anywhere." (Stock Laugh-In line, but given new life in real life here)While I have no doubt that Pence has been the ear-blower for advancing theocracy, I cannot say for sure that he isn't himself the intermediary of the ear-blowing of others.

Most certainly, Pence is by no means as much of a "fucking mooron" as Trump is (as per Rex Tillerson's extremely accurate initial assessment of Trump).During the 2016 campaign, a comparison I heard of the damage that Trump and Cruz would do was that most of the damage done by Trump would be accidental as he would blunder about like a bull in a china shop. Rather, Cruz would know exactly where to plant the explosive charges to bring everything crashing down.One aspect of our concern is whether Pence has the evil intentions of creating a theocracy. Another aspect is how susceptible he is to the manipulation of evil dominionists. Another aspect is how his natural inclinations towards dominion theology might cause him to stumble towards destroying the Constitution. Another aspect is how his beliefs in the End Times might lead to the self-fulfilled prophecy of our self-annihilation. Another aspect is how his divorce from reality ends up killing us all by other means.But one thing that we will not have to worry about Pence is him pulling extremely shtupid shite like Trump does all the time. Sea Story:
On my first drill at the Regional Readiness Command after the 2000 election, our boot RPC (Religious Programs Chief Petty Officer -- RPs not only support Navy chaplains, but also serve as their body guards in combat zones) approached me excited that a "true believer" (AKA "Dubya") was finally in the White House. I made a comment about having someone who believes in the End Times being in control of the US nuclear arsenal. That RPC suddenly became very quiet and pensive.Edited by dwise1, : replacing pronouns in "But one thing ... " to reduce ambiguity

Wow! The cluelessness is very strong in this one!We can safely disregard your redefining the world yet again as meaningless blather (America loving and Constitution loving conservative patriots are not "on the Left", but rather they see the very clear and present danger that Trump presents to America -- Senior Chief Nance was a life-long conservative, nearly every male Nance has served in the US military since the Civil War and his niece now serves in the US Navy and has seen combat, SCPO Nance likewise wears the Navy Combat Action Ribbon and has been in combat against Iranian forces, all of which you falsely label as "leftist"). Do please remind us of where and when you had served, when and how many times you have sworn a solemn oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. Also remind us of where and how you had received any kind of leadership training. IOW, how could anybody even begin to assume that you have any clue whatsoever about the nonsense that you keep blathering?Cadet Bonespurs is all about himself and only about himself. He doesn't care about America's interests, unless he can manipulate that to his own benefit. Everybody who knew anything at all about Trump has always known that. Why do you think that Trump did so poorly in New York? Because everybody there already knew what a crook he is! As soon as he was elected, he went about bragging that he would be the first president to profit from the office -- HINT: The US Constitution's domestic emoluments clause restricts the President's income to what the Constitution specifies and prohibits him from receiving any other income from the government, yet he receives government money (in direct violation of the Constitution's domestic emoluments clause) every single time he goes golfing at one of his own golf resorts. Furthermore, he arbitrarily chose Doral as the site of the next G-7 summit, perhaps the most naked act of corruption possible.And as for American interests being "behind every decision he makes".Trump has lots of financial interests in Russia. Even though he lied to the contrary, he was still pursuing his Moscow Trump Tower project during the 2016 campaign. The truth of that didn't come out until later, but in the meantime Trump was violating regulations and lying outright to his followers, all with the direct knowledge of Putin, so during all that time Trump was compromised -- while you may suffer from a severe lack of military counter-intelligence training, compromise is a very valuable tool for the KGB (while the acronym may have changed, the apparatus is still in place and operating fully -- Putin, Trump's favorite boy-friend, is a veteran KGB agent so he would know better than anybody else the value of compromise (kompromat, )).Oh, we understand Trump far too well. The problem is that we are saddled with 18th Century measures to deal with a 21st Century problem. For one thing, the Founders did not envision that the Senate would have also been corrupted.Food for thought. Trump doesn't give a fuck about you. Especially if you have any pre-existing medical conditions, such as the ones that you keep complaining to us about.Post-Post-Script:
My family had traditionally been Republican, but then I came of voting age under Nixon, so I naturally registered Democrat.Between one or two decades ago, my elder sister's husband, a life-long Republican and still so against his own interests (they're also fundies), suddenly one night stated, "You know, now that I'm retired, I'm starting to realize that the Republicans are not my friends." And yet, years later, he expressed open surprise that I had voted for Obama -- for that matter, I will forever be proud that my military retirement document was signed by Obama and not by some anti-American fucking Republican.

Highly doubtful, especially among the leadership who realize all too well how much Trump has screwed the pooch on this one, possibly only surpassed by his betrayal of our Kurdish allies in Syria.We also know that Trump's approval by the military is dropping in large part because of his misuse of the military and his crass disrespect for the military, veterans, and Gold Star families.For example, the 17 Dec 2019 issue of Military Times reports on polls in Half of active-duty service members are unhappy with Trump, new Military Times poll shows. Trump's low marks are a continuation of his steady decline since 2016.BTW, what's your source? I assume your standard source: the liies from right-wing media.Here are some of the figures from the article's charts: Too bad they didn't also break the figures down by time in service (TIS). I would think that most support for Trump would be from junior enlisted since they haven't started their leadership training. Plus many enlisted only stay in for one enlistment, just long enough to get vocational training and a little experience and then they leave to apply their training in a civilian job. The members who stay in know enough to see through Trump.Since you will not read that article (for fear of learning something), here are some excerpts:

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The poll surveyed 1,630 active-duty Military Times subscribers in partnership with the Institute for Veterans and Military Families (IVMF) at Syracuse University. The numbers likely reflect a more career-minded subset of the military than the force as a whole, according to Peter Feaver, a former White House adviser to former President George W. Bush who is now a political science professor at Duke University.

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These are people for whom the morals and standards of the military mean a lot, he said. The president has criticized those same career workers in the State Department and other agencies. So, it’s possible they are more likely to be offended by the president than other parts of the military.

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Still, Feaver said, the drop in Trump’s popularity in the poll (conducted with the same parameters over the past four years) indicates growing dissatisfaction with Trump and his handling of several military issues.

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When asked specifically about Trump’s handling of military issues, nearly 48 percent of the troops surveyed said they had an unfavorable view of that part of his job, compared to 44 percent who believe he has handled that task well. That marks a significant drop from the 2018 Military Times poll, when 59 percent said they were happy with his handling of military issues, against 20 percent who had an unfavorable view.

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In the time since the 2018 poll, Trump fired his popular former defense secretary, retired Marine Corps Gen. Jim Mattis. Trump also ordered a controversial and sudden withdrawal of U.S. forces from Syria, and became the subject of impeachment hearings in the House over the delay of military assistance funding to Ukraine.

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Also, in the days before the poll closed in December, Trump made the controversial decision to grant clemency to three warfighters accused of war crimes, a move that was opposed by many military leaders at the Pentagon.

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Over time, as the president has been involved with more controversial things connected to the military whether it’s the border wall or the pardons or the way that Secretary Mattis left that has changed the view of him, said retired Marine Corps Col. Dave Lapan, who worked as a department spokesman during both the administrations of Trump and Obama.

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And they’ve seen more indications that he hasn’t been a great commander in chief. So, they’re moving closer to where the rest of the public is.

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Similar to past surveys, this poll showed significant gaps in views of the president among various subsets of the military.

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Trump is far more popular with enlisted service members than with officers. Among the enlisted force, the recent survey showed a 43 percent favorable rating. For officers, however, only one-third responded with a positive view.

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Military men appear to be more supportive of Trump compared to military women. Among men, the survey shows a 43 percent favorable view, while among women service members, 53 percent of women expressed a very unfavorable rating of Trump and 56 percent responded negatively.

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The survey also shows a gap among white and non-white service members. Among whites, 46 percent of troops had a favorable view of the president, versus 45 percent with an unfavorable view. Yet among non-white service members nearly two-thirds responded with a negative view of him.

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Some of the shift in military sentiments could be linked to the firing of Mattis, who a year after his dismissal still enjoys an exceptionally high 86 percent favorability rating among all service members in the poll.

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Trump’s replacement for Mattis, current Defense Secretary Mark Esper, does not inspire strong feelings one way or the other. Esper drew a 24 percent approval rating from troops and a 20 percent disapproval rating, with 56 percent saying they have no strong opinion of the Pentagon leader.

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Troops surveyed by Military Times offered generally upbeat assessments of Trump’s steps in Afghanistan (59 percent said they approve of plans to negotiate with the Taliban and reduce troop levels there) and his promises to intervene less overseas (47 percent believe he will keep U.S. forces out of another major military conflict).

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Yet 58 percent of those polled said they disapprove of Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. forces from northern Syria in the face of Turkish military advances.

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When asked about Trump’s decision to use military construction funds to build his controversial southern border wall, 59 percent said they disapprove of his decision. More than half rated current U.S. relations with traditional allies like NATO as poor.

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Lapan said he thinks those topics have had more resonance with troops than some of the controversies early in Trump’s presidency, like his public spats with former prisoner of war Sen. John McCain.

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His comments with McCain were upsetting to a lot of folks, but it was probably more in the senior ranks, he said. For junior troops, Mattis is much more popular. And these other decisions affect them. So they are changing their minds more.

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Troops were split evenly on the ongoing impeachment proceedings in Congress. In the poll, 47 percent said they back the impeachment, 46 percent said they were opposed. That’s roughly the same breakdown as the rest of the American public.

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Feaver called that an interesting and potentially problematic finding, given that Trump will still be commander in chief if he is impeached by the House but acquitted by the Senate.

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I’m sure senior leaders won’t be happy seeing that half of them wanted him impeached, given the efforts to keep troops out of politics," Feaver said.

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More than three-fourths of troops surveyed said they believe the military community has become more polarized in recent years, with about 40 percent saying they have seen significantly more division in the ranks.

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Depends on what you mean by "better".Pence would most certainly be far more competent (or at least closer to adequate) than Trump as a public official and even just as a human (though only because we're comparing him to Trump.So in the sense that Pence would be far less likely to blunder us into a massive war out of sheer shtupidity, ignrance, greed, and mental illness, then, yes, Pence would be a better President than Trump.But at the same time, if Pence has intentions to do evil, then his greater competence would enable him to do much more damage than Trump, whose administration has been called "The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight" for good reasons. It was like the comparison made in the 2016 GOP Primaries between Trump who, like a bull in a china shop, would destroy government and the Constitution out of sheer shtupid blundering (as we have witnessed over the past three years), whereas Cruz would know exactly where to plant the charges to demolish the whole thing.Since most of the harm that Trump has done has been at the behest of those close to him, employing him as a "useful ID10T", Pence has no doubt planted some of those evil seeds in Trump's ear. But which ones? I find it hard to tell, though it's clear that it has happened.So then a President Pence would be far worse than Trump, because he wouldn't have to count on a "f**king morron" to do his evil deeds and foul it all up, but rather he could do those deeds himself and ensure that they get done.