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JonF
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Message 218 of 952 (874122)
03-25-2020 11:19 AM
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03-25-2020 10:37 AM


Re: we need to test everybody.
{dupe)

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 219 of 952 (874123)
03-25-2020 11:22 AM
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03-25-2020 10:37 AM


Re: we need to test everybody.
Lou Dobbs And Brit Hume are on board for whacking us olds.

Death Panel Guy Glenn Beck Calls For Oldsters To Sacrifice On The Altar Of St. Wall Street

Brit Hume And Tucker Carlson Discuss Who Should Live And Who Should Die

Oh, and...

For Republicans there is no more reliable source of accurate information on coronavirus than Trump: poll

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A new poll shows for Republicans there is no more reliable source of accurate information on coronavirus than President Donald Trump. Nine out of 10 Republicans say Trump is the most reliable source of accurate information on coronavirus, and more see him as accurate than the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“Who do you trust and not trust to give you accurate information about the virus and what to do during the outbreak?” a CBS News/YouGov poll asked.

For Republicans, 90% said President Trump, tying medical professionals. 84% said the CDC, 81% said their friends and family, 71% said religious leaders, 65% said their governor, and just 13% said the national media, social media, and online sources.



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Message 228 of 952 (874133)
03-25-2020 3:45 PM
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03-25-2020 3:05 PM


Re: Today's Cuomo Press Conference
Interesting. New York suggested its coronavirus patients may have to share ventilators, but a lung doctor says that's a 'desperate' and risky strategy

The two patients must have similar lung capacity and body size.

It's far more than just getting a Y-hose. My late wife was on a ventilator for three weeks in 2010. Ventilators aren't just dumb air pumps. They have parameters, such as the size of the tube in the throat. You'd have to fake those somehow. They measure lots of things such as backpressure and flow rate (and its time dependency) and use them as feedback in controlling the pumping. You'd have to set unusual high and low limits on those and maybe even change the parameters of the feedback loop (probably disallowed under normal circumstances).

I wouldn't be comfortable with hooking up another patient on my wife's ventilator other than some last resort.


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Message 229 of 952 (874134)
03-25-2020 3:57 PM


Morgue capacity
NYC morgues near capacity, DHS briefing warns

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Officials were told that morgues in the city are expected to reach capacity next week, per the briefing. A third person familiar with the situation in New York said that some of the city’s hospital morgues hit capacity over the last seven days. And a FEMA spokesperson told POLITICO that New York has asked for emergency mortuary assistance. Hawaii and North Carolina have asked for mortuary help as well, and the disaster response agency is currently reviewing the requests, according to the spokesperson.

  
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Message 270 of 952 (874236)
03-27-2020 10:41 AM
Reply to: Message 266 by Percy
03-27-2020 9:45 AM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
The Administration line now is that we don't need anywhere near that number of ventilators.

Retooling a GM plant for ventilators is too expensive.


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Message 281 of 952 (874250)
03-27-2020 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by jar
03-27-2020 3:55 PM


Re: REALLY REALLY GOOD NEWS
Jared "brought peace to the Middle East" Kushner!

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Message 282 of 952 (874251)
03-27-2020 4:24 PM
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03-27-2020 4:21 PM


Re: I am sure the governments 2 trillion wont finance immune boosting food
Coronavirus colds are quicker passing and more mild if the infected have been consuming vitamin C containing food for a good while before the infection.

Colds don't overflow the morgues of major cities.

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Message 303 of 952 (874291)
03-28-2020 3:47 PM


St. Louis in 1918
What happens if you listen to the complainers and raise restrictions too early.


  
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Message 403 of 952 (874450)
04-02-2020 1:26 PM
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04-02-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Why Banning Reusable Grocery Bags is a Mistake
My local grocery stores banned reusable bags a week or so ago.

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Message 405 of 952 (874455)
04-02-2020 2:46 PM


The free market fights the pandemic
In Desperation, New York State Pays Up to 15 Times the Normal Prices for Medical Equipment

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With the coronavirus outbreak creating an unprecedented demand for medical supplies and equipment, New York state has paid 20 cents for gloves that normally cost less than a nickel and as much as $7.50 each for masks, about 15 times the usual price. It’s paid up to $2,795 for infusion pumps, more than twice the regular rate. And $248,841 for a portable X-ray machine that typically sells for $30,000 to $80,000.

This payment data, provided by state officials, shows just how much the shortage of key medical equipment is driving up prices. Forced to venture outside their usual vendors and contracts, states and cities are paying exorbitant sums on a spot market ruled by supply and demand. Although New York’s attorney general has denounced excessive prices, and ordered merchants to stop overcharging people for hand sanitizers and disinfectant sprays, state laws against price gouging generally don’t apply to government purchases.

With little guidance from the Trump administration, competition among states, cities, hospitals and federal agencies is contributing to the staggering bill for fighting the pandemic, which New York has estimated will cost it $15 billion in spending and lost revenue. The bidding wars are also raising concerns that facilities with shallow pockets, like rural health clinics, won’t be able to obtain vital supplies.



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Message 408 of 952 (874459)
04-02-2020 3:21 PM
Reply to: Message 406 by Chiroptera
04-02-2020 3:03 PM


Re: Just like the Founders intended.
There's competition with originalism on the right. Beyond Originalism:

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But originalism has now outlived its utility, and has become an obstacle to the development of a robust, substantively conservative approach to constitutional law and interpretation.{hardly universally accepted! - JonF} Such an approach—one might call it “common-good constitutionalism”—should be based on the principles that government helps direct persons, associations, and society generally toward the common good, and that strong rule in the interest of attaining the common good is entirely legitimate. In this time of global pandemic, the need for such an approach is all the greater, as it has become clear that a just governing order must have ample power to cope with large-scale crises of public health and well-being—reading “health” in many senses, not only literal and physical but also metaphorical and social.

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Message 430 of 952 (874494)
04-03-2020 2:43 PM


We are so screwed.
Admin Scrubs Websites Of Stockpile Language That Contradicted Kushner

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“The state still has a stockpile and the notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile,” Kushner said at a briefing about the coronavirus pandemic. “It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.”

“So I would just encourage you, when you have governors saying that the federal government hasn’t given them what they need, I would just urge you to ask them, ‘well have you looked within your state to make sure that you haven’t been able to find the resources?'” he continued.

As captured by journalist Laura Bassett and noted by the Washington Post, the original description of the stockpile on the Public Health Emergency subsection of the Health and Human Services site characterized it as “the nation’s largest supply of life-saving pharmaceuticals and medical supplies for use in a public health emergency severe enough to cause local supplies to run out.”

It added: “When state, local, tribal, and territorial responders request federal assistance to support their response efforts, the stockpile ensures that the right medicines and supplies get to those who need them most during an emergency.”



We have always been at war with EastAsia.

Obviously the intent in establishing the stockpile was to create a store of critical equipment to be doled out to those with the brownest noses and withheld from those who haven't sufficiently prostrated before the throne.

And Jared Kushner has made it clear that expertise and facts are NOT welcomed.


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Message 432 of 952 (874497)
04-03-2020 3:58 PM
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04-03-2020 3:07 PM


Re: We will get exactly what we want.
Good point!

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Message 433 of 952 (874498)
04-03-2020 3:59 PM



  
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Message 464 of 952 (874598)
04-06-2020 3:25 PM


Every day this administration gets worse. Exponentially.
.Peter Navarro: 'I Bet On Trump's Intuition' Over Science When It Comes To Treatment Of COVID-19.

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He said, "In the fog of war we might take more risks than we otherwise would."

He then bragged about its success against malaria, which has no bearing on the coronavirus, but it is an approved White House talking point.

"There are side effects," he said as if that is a meaningless statement. What f**king side effects?

He continued, "If it saves lives that's a beautiful thing and I think history will judge who's right on this debate."

Medical treatments for the most part that involve drugs are not up for "debate" after they've been tested.

They work or they don't, but judgement is made after detailed studies and tests are completed.

"But I bet on President Trump's intuition on this one, because of all the doctors in all the scientific papers I've read (He made a hand gesture making believe it was a thick pile of studies) and they're about this high.



At least he is a doctor. Of Social Science.

And the Faiths slave over this crud.


  
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