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Message 450 of 955 (874534)
04-05-2020 12:01 PM
Reply to: Message 408 by JonF
04-02-2020 3:21 PM


SOCIALISM: Just like the Founders intended. ...
There's competition with originalism on the right. Common-Good Constitutionalism - The Atlantic:
quote:
But originalism has now outlived its utility, and has become an obstacle to the development of a robust, substantively conservative approach to constitutional law and interpretation.{hardly universally accepted! - JonF} Such an approachone might call it common-good constitutionalismshould be based on the principles that government helps direct persons, associations, and society generally toward the common good, and that strong rule in the interest of attaining the common good is entirely legitimate. In this time of global pandemic, the need for such an approach is all the greater, as it has become clear that a just governing order must have ample power to cope with large-scale crises of public health and well-beingreading health in many senses, not only literal and physical but also metaphorical and social.
common-good constitutionalismshould be based on the principles that government helps direct persons, associations, and society generally toward the common good, and that strong rule in the interest of attaining the common good is entirely legitimate.
Socialism, medicare for all, living minimum wage, free college tuition ... etc.
One could see a common goal here between the left and the right. Could be interesting.
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Message 453 of 955 (874543)
04-05-2020 3:41 PM
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04-05-2020 1:29 PM


Re: Are we counting mortality the best way?
Not sure where to find this information but I would be curious to see if the same increase is happening other places like NYC, New Orleans, Wuhan, etc.
We know that the number of people infected is under-reported, because not everyone has been tested.
We know that there are people that are infected but not showing symptoms, some because the incubation period is ~10 days +/-, and because some may be asymptotic and have antibodies that could be useful.
We know that there are people that have died, either directly from the virus or by the virus in combination with pre-existing conditions (weak immune system, already sick, etc), because they were tested positive.
Then there are people that have died without being tested, cause unknown. This could be approximated by applying the pre-covid death rate.
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Message 454 of 955 (874549)
04-05-2020 5:53 PM
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04-05-2020 11:34 AM


Re: Masks Again --- Filter Materials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm_NmpdgWWA&feature=youtu...
Not mentioned is that the wire is used to fit mask over the nose bridge.
You could also handsew this mask
or sacrifice an old t-shirt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwXAqY5MFNM&fbclid=IwAR0o...
You could insert filter material inside and safetypin or hand stitch the bottom
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Message 456 of 955 (874561)
04-06-2020 7:22 AM
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04-05-2020 5:53 PM


OMG: Masks and Gowns and Respirators oh My ...
quote:
PolitiFact | Yes, US shipped donated personal protective equipment to China in February
On February 7, the WHO warned about the limited stock of PPE. That same day, the Trump administration announced it was sending 18 tons of masks, gowns and respirators to China.
National shortages of masks, gowns and other personal protective equipment have exacerbated concerns that U.S. doctors and nurses are not getting the supplies needed to help COVID-19 patients.
The surging demand for masks led President Donald Trump to charge, without evidence, that the equipment earmarked for New York’s hospitals has been "going out the back door." But some people are pointing the blame back at Trump, who downplayed the threat of the virus early on despite warnings from experts about the health care system’s readiness.
One claim we’ve heard from politicians, TV commentators and social media users is that the U.S. gave away medical supplies that are now sorely needed at home.
"On February 7, the (World Health Organization) warned about the limited stock of PPE," said a March 31 Facebook post, using an acronym for personal protective equipment. "That same day, the Trump administration announced it was sending 18 tons of masks, gowns and respirators to China. Now our health care workers are dying because of no PPE.
What a great way to protect the American people, what a great way to plan for the virus in America.
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Message 466 of 955 (874600)
04-06-2020 3:53 PM


scary gif
Grafica De Casos Confirmados De CoronaVirus Fuera De China - GifsCool
Really shows how much delayed action has endangered the US population:
Remember that there is a 2 week incubation period, so this shows a 2 week delay from infection.
Watch the US go from the bottom to the top in one month. Watch S.Korea go from the top to off the bottom in the same month. The first in country cases were reported at the same time, S. Korea acted, Trump did not
See Italy and Spain surge to high numbers ... scary.
So much winning ... #SoMuchWinning
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Message 470 of 955 (874642)
04-07-2020 10:17 AM
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04-06-2020 3:53 PM


Re: scary gif
a more complete and up to date version, along with similar for deaths can be viewed at
These Striking Animated Charts Show How the Coronavirus Pandemic Has Unfolded so Far
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Message 475 of 955 (874681)
04-08-2020 8:40 AM
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04-07-2020 3:54 PM


Re: How can countries reopen?
Here's the total infections graph for Czechia showing that the number infected is still increasing, but the rate of increase appears to be slowing. The most recent data point is from April 5:
I worry that when the infection numbers level off people will think it'll be safe to resume "normal" life, not realizing that it means people still being infected.
This graph is nice, and it is comforting to think we are getting a handle on it, but we also need to be aware of the total numbers of people that are infected, the total number dead, the total number that recovered.
We also need to know the percentage of infected in the population and what that means for personal protection measures.
Korea never regulated/ordered face mask use, they recommended it and the people willingly followed that recommendations because they trusted that it was in their best interest.
Now some sad news
quote:
Coronavirus: Cats highly susceptible to infection, study finds | The Independent | The Independent
Coronavirus can be transmitted between cats, a study has confirmed, days after reports that a pet in Belgium had been infected with the disease.
Researchers at the Harbin Veterinary Research Institute in China found the animals are highly susceptible to the infection.
Lab experiments conducted on a small number of cats found they can transmit the illness to one another through respiratory droplets.
I had been skeptical of reports of pets being immune. This means that they can be carriers.
Note to Faith: I had only heard this virus being labeled "coronavirus" until the medical people started using Covid-19. I have now seen increased violent attacks on people of asian descent because of the "china virus" label. Words matter: some Americans are so ignorant that many thought coronavirus was from the beer. At least it couldn't be used to justify racist attacks.
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Message 476 of 955 (874682)
04-08-2020 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 440 by Percy
04-04-2020 1:31 PM


Re: Sometime you just can't help saying, "I told you so."
New news from To help stop coronavirus, everyone should be wearing face masks. The science is clear | Jeremy Howard: There is now no doubt that people are most contagious during the period when they're without symptoms or have minimal symptoms.
Or put a bag over your head (with cutouts to see) ... recommended for people in denial about using a mask.
If I haven't mentioned footwear before I should have. Large droplets do sink quickly to the floor, like in grocery stores and such. This means that after a visit to the grocery store your footwear could be a veritable nation of virus. When you get home set the shoes aside somewhere outside (the garage, under an awning, a rarely used spare room, but not in living spaces) for three days before wearing again. Alternatively, if you have it, spray them with isopropyl alcohol and rub it in. It they're washable, like flip-flops, wash them.
We've converted our back porch into an "airlock" so we can hang coats and change shoes, leaving the masks and gloves ... and try to limit outings so that they can have the time to kill the virus.
For gloves, I would think that getting a pair of kitchen gloves, and when you get home wash them in the same way recommended for hand washing. I have rubber boots that can be washed.
Also a tip from a specialist: drink warm drinks to help flush any virus you've inhaled down into your stomach where the acids kill it. A cuppa after your shower when you get home from shopping is nice.
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Message 513 of 955 (874896)
04-11-2020 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 509 by Percy
04-11-2020 1:22 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Here's a map of infection cases across the US:
The novel coronavirus continued its march across rural America over the weekend. By Sunday night, April 5, two-thirds of rural counties had at least one case. Just over 200 rural counties have reported a death attributable to COVID-19.
quote:
Coronavirus Infection Rate, April 5
{see link for image}
The novel coronavirus continued its march across rural America over the weekend. By Sunday night, April 5, two-thirds of rural counties had at least one case. Just over 200 rural counties have reported a death attributable to COVID-19.
The map above shows the spread of the virus and deaths as of Sunday night, April 5. Click on individual counties for more information, or explore a larger version of the map here.
  • Green: Rural counties with no cases (665 counties)
  • Orange: Rural counties with cases of COVID-19 (1,109 counties)
  • Red: Rural counties with deaths (203 counties)
  • Pink: Urban with no cases (61 counties)
  • Gray: Urban with cases (575 counties)
  • Black: Urban with deaths (528 counties)
The link in the article has a 404 error to see the larger map. Click the article link to see the map.
These figures likely under-report the presence of the disease, according to a study by researchers at the University of Texas. They estimate that even in counties that report no COVID-19 cases, there is a 9 percent chance that the virus is present in that community.
If a county has one case, the Texas researchers predict that there is a 51 percent chance that the virus is spreading through the community.
From April 1 to 5, an additional 172 rural counties reported a case of coronavirus infection. Only 665 or about a third of rural counties have yet to report a case of COVID-19. Only 61 urban counties 5 percent of all metro counties say they have yet to find a COVID-19 case.
That means that 2/3rds of rural counties/county equivalents have at least one known case.
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Message 514 of 955 (874897)
04-11-2020 4:33 PM
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04-11-2020 4:27 PM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
This is updated
quote:
Nearly three out of every four rural counties have officially reported having a case of COVID-19 by the end of Thursday, according to data compiled from
Coronavirus Infections, April 9
Nearly three out of every four rural counties have officially reported having a case of COVID-19 by the end of Thursday, according to data compiled from state health care agencies by USA Facts.
The map above shows the spread of the novel coronavirus through rural America. The 130 rural counties in red reported their first case of COVID-19 between Sunday and Thursday, April 5-9, 2020.
As of April 9, there have been 563 deaths from the virus in rural America. For the past week, the number of deaths from COVID-19 in rural counties has increased 12 to 17 % each day. Deaths in rural counties are increasing at about the same rate as the nation as a whole.
Deaths have been increasing the fastest in the suburbs of the nation’s major metropolitan areas, those with over a million people.
Rural America still has a per capita rate of infection that is just a quarter of the national rate.
Rural America has more problems with getting treatment, so I don't see this rate dropping.
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Message 518 of 955 (874920)
04-11-2020 8:49 PM


California
quote:
New signs suggest coronavirus was in California far earlier than anyone knew
SACRAMENTO A man found dead in his house in early March. A woman who fell sick in mid-February and later died.
These early COVID-19 deaths in the San Francisco Bay Area suggest that the novel coronavirus had established itself in the community long before health officials started looking for it. The lag time has had dire consequences, allowing the virus to spread unchecked before social distancing rules went into effect.
The virus was freewheeling in our community and probably has been here for quite some time, Dr. Jeff Smith, a physician who is the chief executive of Santa Clara County government, told county leaders in a recent briefing.
How long? A study out of Stanford suggests a dramatic viral surge in February.
But Smith on Friday said data collected by the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, local health departments and others suggest it was a lot longer than we first believed most likely since back in December.
This wasn’t recognized because we were having a severe flu season, Smith said in an interview. Symptoms are very much like the flu. If you got a mild case of COVID, you didn’t really notice. You didn’t even go to the doctor. The doctor maybe didn’t even do it because they presumed it was the flu.
The CDC provided testing materials to only some health departments, with restrictions that confined testing and thus the tracking of the novel coronavirus to those who were sick or exposed to someone already known to have COVID-19. The federal agency’s focus was on cruise ships, with Princess Cruises’ Diamond Princess carrying the largest known cluster of COVID-19 cases outside of China. The first passenger tested positive for COVID-19 five days after the ship’s Jan. 20 departure from Japan. Eventually, 712 passengers and crew tested positive, and nine of them died.
COVID-19 did not reappear in the Bay Area until Feb. 27, when doctors finally decided to test a hospitalized woman who had been ill for weeks. She became the region’s first case of community-spread coronavirus.
But from there, almost every positive test pointed toward local spread. When public health [officials] tried to track down the start of the disease we weren’t able to find, specifically, a contact, Smith told county supervisors. That means the virus is in the community already not, as was suspected by the CDC, as only in China and being spread from contact with China.
So Faith it seems was right.
And the disease is wider spread than thought.
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Message 565 of 955 (875144)
04-15-2020 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 539 by Faith
04-13-2020 5:01 PM


Hydroxychloroquine discontinued in France study
... Of course it could have adverse effects on some people ...
Like heart attack.
French Hospital Stops Hydroxychloroquine Treatment for COVID-19 Patient Over Major Cardiac Risk
quote:
hospital in France has had to stop an experimental treatment using hydroxychloroquine on at least one coronavirus patient after it became a "major risk" to their cardiac health.
The University Hospital Center of Nice (CHU de Nice) is one of many hospitals trialing hydroxychloroquine in COVID-19 patients. It announced it had been selected for the trial on March 22. A statement from the hospital said it was testing four experimental treatments, one of which included hydroxychloroquine. It hoped to establish its effectiveness and side effects of this and the other treatments being tested.
In an interview with the French daily newspaper Nice-Matin, Professor mile Ferrari, the head of the cardiology department at the Pasteur hospital in Nice, said the side effects had already been identified, with some patients having to stop treatment because of the risk posed.
He said electrocardiogram recordings of patients involved with the trial were being constantly monitored. An ECG measures electrical activity in the heart, and represents this on a graph as a QT interval. Ferrari said these recordings are interpreted and, if anomalies are reported, treatment is stopped.
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Asked if this had happened yet, he said: "Yes, from the start of the trial. Thanks to this ECG follow-up, we highlighted the major risks of a very serious accident in a patient, and the treatment was immediately stopped."
The potential cardiac side effects of hydroxychloroquine were highlighted by the Mayo Clinic at the end of March. An article on its website said the drug has the potential to lead to sudden cardiac death in some patients. In a small number of patients it has the potential to lead to a prolonged QTc , which can result in an abnormal heart rhythm.
This side effect is well known.
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Message 653 of 955 (875601)
04-30-2020 10:52 AM
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Re: The Latest Data
Our new low for RI 2 new positive tests admitted to hospitals.
Raymondo has been very proactive. RI also has highest tests per capita of all states.
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Message 664 of 955 (875677)
05-03-2020 2:15 AM
Reply to: Message 663 by LamarkNewAge
05-02-2020 10:13 PM


Re: Statistics
I'm having trouble with this:
The Daily Mail has an article saying 2 million would hff have to die to reach herd immunity.
Wouldn't that be the same as an uninfected population that was originally 2 million fewer people?
How does dying help anyone (unless it's Trumpy)?
What you need are people with immunity, the more you have the less likely the person you meet is a carrier.
Yes?
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Message 684 of 955 (875828)
05-07-2020 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 682 by NosyNed
05-07-2020 12:05 PM


Re: What's your bet. Mid May
Anyone want to place a bet on when the US deaths/million pop will pass Spain's?
I’ll jump in here and say mid-May ... because of all the stupid reopenings going on right now.
... (Corona) deaths/million pop ...
This a better metric than just (Corona) deaths, especially for comparing countries .. and states. Gives one a better grasp on the threat.
This BS about opening (haircut for Xsake) and needing to work to pay bills is simple to remedy
  • Take the relief money they’re giving out and just give everyone the same amount.
  • The out of work workers can pay rent, food, utilities, and stayed home.
  • The landlord can pay his debts as normal
  • The essential worker employers can pay hazard pay to attract workers willing to take the risk with the money normally spent for wages.
  • Banks get the mortgages and loans paid as normal.
  • The money percolates up through the economy, just as it normally does.
Who knows, people might find that this works better than all the socialist programs. Combined.
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