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Message 58 of 955 (873663)
03-18-2020 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Percy
03-18-2020 8:21 AM


Re: A Small Book about Boosting Immunity
What I quoted from the book was certainly not misinformation.

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Message 62 of 955 (873674)
03-18-2020 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by LamarkNewAge
03-18-2020 2:46 PM


Re: A Small Book about Boosting Immunity
Interesting you have such a high regard for Savage. I vacillate between thinking he's the greatest spokesman there is on some subjects and getting so frustrated with him I can't stand to listen another second.
He's the only one who says what needs to be said about the homeless living in tents on the streets of our big cities. Others may sort of lament it from time to time but Savage gives clear instructions about how we should deal with them. I don't want to get into a huge discussion of this here so I won't quote him but on some subjects like this one I'd vote for him for President.
I do expect him to have some good advice about strengthening immunity for this pandemic but I haven't got very far into the book yet.
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Message 63 of 955 (873675)
03-18-2020 2:59 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by vimesey
03-18-2020 2:49 PM


Re: A Small Book about Boosting Immunity
When did he say it? How do you know he wasn't taken out of context?
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Message 67 of 955 (873691)
03-18-2020 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by vimesey
03-18-2020 3:11 PM


Re: A Small Book about Boosting Immunity
I'm sorry vimesey I can't get through that whole quote and only pick up bits of it. I still think maybe he was taken out of context but I can't tell.

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Message 70 of 955 (873706)
03-18-2020 5:07 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Coragyps
03-18-2020 4:48 PM


Re: Using "Immunity"
If it's being sold in the store with that kind of hype on the label I ignore it. But that doesn't mean there aren't things we can be doing to strengthen our immune system, but it does take some reading up on it.

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Message 71 of 955 (873707)
03-18-2020 5:14 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by caffeine
03-18-2020 3:29 PM


So we're waiting...
My brother had a doctor's appointment today and I happened to talk to him while he was in the waiting room. He said he was greeted at the door by a nurse in hazmat gear who took temperatures and asked some questions before letting anyone into the office, and all the staff are wearing masks.
I'm pretty much always at home anyway so this isn't any big change to me, but I feel like we're all just waiting for something to happen, something big maybe, a super increase in the cases or something like that. But nobody knows, we're just waiting. The whole economy could come undone, very serious things could happen to everybody apart from the virus, we're just waiting.

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Message 72 of 955 (873717)
03-18-2020 7:32 PM


More shutdowns
Whole State of Nevada is closed, including casinos, all nonessential businesses and services etc.
Just got a notice that all the socializing areas in my apartment building are now closed, the office is also closed and staff can only be contacted by phone or email and personal contact is limited to appointments only.
Heard that Costco is almost completely stripped of everything now, including all bread, that's one long long aisle.
Nephew reports that he went to get something at the local sporting goods store and there was a line around the block to buy .GUNS. Good grief, isn't this a time for us to be coming together and taking care of each other? (My brother quipped he guesses they expect to have to defend their stock of toilet paper).
Times are getting maybe just a little too interesting.

  
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Message 80 of 955 (873789)
03-19-2020 2:51 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by jar
03-19-2020 11:47 AM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
So you list all those diseases and then say
And this is unprecedented and unexpected and we need a WARTIME President who knows how to get things done???????????????????????????????????????
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Well, nothing was done about those recent outbreaks, or any of them, no travel bans, no closing businesses and schools, no advice to stay home, so for whatever reason this one is being treated as a much worse threat than the others. That seems to be the consensus of the experts. Two or three times the contagiousness of the flu, many many times the morbidity etc. And taking into account how it seems to have been increasing so rapidly in Italy for instance I don't see a reason to doubt this assessment. So we do seem to need different measures to deal with it.

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Message 82 of 955 (873791)
03-19-2020 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 79 by hooah212002
03-19-2020 2:40 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
If outside your door is really outside in the open air I don't see a problem from everything I've heard, unless you have an extremely intense concentration of the disease in your immediate neighborhood, and even then, the open air?.....
Outside my door is a long hallway to the front door of the apartment building and I'd have to go down in the elevator to get there too, which is a pretty enclosed space.
I can go out on my balcony though. That's outside too. Far as I know there are no instances of the disease in the building so I'm not worried but as soon as I hear of some I might start being concerned about even going out in the hall because of what we've heard about its lingering in aerosol form for three hours, but maybe that would be excessive worry, it's hard to know. If I were younger I might not worry about it anyway but being in my seventies I really don't want to catch it.
But again, if your door goes outside to an open area I don't see a reason to worry. On the other hand, what do I know?
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Message 83 of 955 (873792)
03-19-2020 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by jar
03-19-2020 2:59 PM


Re: And the President gives himself a 10!
Well jar, from everything I've heard that's a leftist false narrative.

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Message 86 of 955 (873797)
03-19-2020 3:43 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Diomedes
03-19-2020 3:39 PM


Re: A Question About Masks
Viruses have limited capability to stay aloft. They usually reside within water droplets of some sort that might stay in the air for a few seconds, if for example someone sneezed, but then they rapidly fall to the ground. From there, depending on the surface, a virus may stay viable for maybe 12 to 24 hours before it becomes inert.
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Dr. Michael Osteholm in the videos that were posted I think earlier in this thread (Message 19 and Message 25)is an expert on this subject* and he says very clearly that the viruses DO stay in the air for up to three hours just as the motes in the ray of sunlight do. He was very clear about that and he IS a bone fide expert. He also said that we transmit the virus by merely breathing so it isn't just the droplets of sneezing that we're talking about.
But I do think he was talking about the effect indoors rather than outdoors.
*Abe: And in case you dispute my recommendation you may accept AZP's in Message 42.
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Message 99 of 955 (873875)
03-20-2020 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by caffeine
03-20-2020 6:07 PM


Re: My Trip to the Grocery Store
I don't do the shopping for myself, my brother does. He COULD take me and if I really want to go and put pressure on him, he will, but I slow him down too much. So right now he is going to the store as usual. Fortunately I was already pretty well stocked before the panic buying started but still he comes back without certain items that were bought out. When he brings in the groceries I wipe down the packaging with a Cloros wipe, and if I remember I go around wiping whatever he touched while he's here too, but it seems silly since just his breathing could tansmit the virus to me and besides the last thing I want is for him to get sick since he's my shopper and I don't have any other connection. Besides which I'm fond of him of course and I'd cry if he died. Oh I'm sure there are services around who would help out with the shopping, but if he gets sick I'll probably get sick and maybe we'll both die, being elderly types. Who knows.
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Message 114 of 955 (873912)
03-21-2020 9:35 AM


QUININE-BASED THERAPEUTIC DRUGS FOR THE VIRUS
Maybe you've been hearing about these drugs, Chloroquine and Hydroxychloraquine? Supposed to help prevent AND treat the Covid-19 virus, at least reduce its effects. Sounds great but then I heard one of my talk show guys* last night say he had his doubts so he looked it up and found out it can cause neurological damage which leads to all kinds of psychological problems, from nightmares to psychosis.
From Wikipedia:
QUINISM:
Neuropsychiatric quinism is a chronic encephalopathy due to intoxication by mefloquine, quinacrine, chloroquine. It is associated with brain dysfunction and brainstem dysfunction. It may be confused as posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD) and traumatic brain injury (TBI). In the opinion of one medical author it "may have been widely unrecognized in veteran populations, and its symptoms misattributed to other causes."[1] Symptoms include, but are not limited to, limbic encephalopathy and neurotoxic vestibulopathy.[2]
Here's Wikipedia on Chloroquine which is primarily used to treat malaria, the main subject of the article, but its possible efficacy for the virus is also discussed, mostly positvely:
COVID-19[edit]
In late January 2020 during the 2019—20 coronavirus outbreak, Chinese medical researchers stated that exploratory research into chloroquine and two other medications, remdesivir and lopinavir/ritonavir, seemed to have "fairly good inhibitory effects" on the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which is the virus that causes COVID-19. Requests to start clinical testing were submitted.[42][43] Chloroquine had been also proposed as a treatment for SARS, with in vitro tests inhibiting the SARS-CoV virus.[44] '
On 19 February 2020, preliminary results found that chloroquine may be effective and safe in treating COVID-19 associated pneumonia.[45] There is evidence to indicate the efficacy of chloroquine phosphate against SARS-CoV-2 in vitro on Vero cells.[42] The Guangdong Provincial Department of Science and Technology and the Guangdong Provincial Health and Health Commission issued a report stating that chloroquine phosphate "improves the success rate of treatment and shortens the length of patient’s hospital stay" and recommended it for people diagnosed with mild, moderate and severe cases of novel coronavirus pneumonia.[46]
Chloroquine has been recommended by Chinese, South Korean and Italian health authorities for the treatment of COVID-19,[47][48][unreliable medical source?] although these agencies noted contraindications for people with heart disease or diabetes.[49] In February 2020, both drugs were shown to effectively inhibit COVID-19 in vitro,[42] but a further study concluded that hydroxychloroquine was more potent than chloroquine, with a more tolerable safety profile.[50] Preliminary results from a trial suggested that chloroquine is effective and safe in COVID-19 pneumonia, "improving lung imaging findings, promoting a virus-negative conversion, and shortening the disease course."[45]
Another version is Hydroxychloroquine
(Sorry my eyes are giving out and finding something to quote is too hard right now.)
*Michael Savage
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Message 118 of 955 (873937)
03-21-2020 2:36 PM


Reasons for the shortage of medical supplies
Most hospitals in the US are privately owned, isn't that so? They do their own ordering of equipment, not the state or the federal government, isn't that so? I have been hearing that 36 states have a law limiting how much equi8pment they can order, something about "need" determined by the state rather than the hospital management. So now many hospitals are finding they may not be prepared for a pandemic.
But that's just one problem. Another is that a lot of our medical suppliesx are manufactured in China and recently there has been a severe shortage of them coming from China.
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Message 140 of 955 (873988)
03-23-2020 7:53 AM
Reply to: Message 139 by Percy
03-23-2020 7:36 AM


Masks and other protective gear are not normal wear
There are around five million medical professionals in the country. If on average they each needed only a couple or three masks a day under normal circumstances then the country's normal usage rate for N95 masks would be around 10 to 15 million per day ...
Masks are not normally used by medical personnel when dealing with patients on a routine basis, they are only needed when an infection is suspected or known and that's a small part of normal routine. So if their use has increased a great deal that must be due to the coronavirus, either known or suspected cases, requiring all medical personnel to take extra precautions.
When I was in the hospital last year about this time none of the staff wore any kind of protective gear until I was diagnosed with shingles, and then they all started showing up with protective gear on (though not masks). When my shingles case was shown to be so minimal I hardly even had a vislble rash (though plenty of pain) they stopped wearing it when they came into my room.
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