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Message 207 of 955 (874111)
03-25-2020 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by dwise1
03-24-2020 9:53 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
You say the companies that are reorganizing to produce the medical supplies aren't yet up and running, but I've been hearing that they are and one thing that is now being produced in great numbers is the testing kits.
Cuomo is getting many of those kits and that's why he can tell that the number of cases is apparently doubling every day though perhaps the tests are simply picking up cases that have existed for some time.
Again I note that the reason they are particularly in short supply of all kinds of medical necessities in New York is that they are one of the states that adopted the ridiculous law that limited how many of such supplies hospitals and other health services were allowed to buy. The Left is truly a scourage on this country. The liberal crap they put in the stimulus package was disgusting partisan opportunism and it only servced their own destructive goals of changing America into a third world socialist swamp. I think saner heads prevailed at least to the extent of getting some of that removed. Trump is trying to do what the country needs, support the businesses that hire the workers that make the country prosper while the Left tries to destroy the source of prosperity.
I think it's Budweiser that is putting out hand sanitizer and I hear that is also underway already.
I can't find this at Google, but then Google is another Leftist destroyer of America and do their best to suppress anything good that the Trump administration does, same as all our corrupted media these days.
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Message 238 of 955 (874148)
03-25-2020 7:29 PM
Reply to: Message 232 by Tangle
03-25-2020 5:19 PM


Re: interesting article:
I wish your daughter a mild case and if she's young and healthy she should get through it just fine.

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Message 296 of 955 (874281)
03-28-2020 10:53 AM


China's responsibility
The first known case in China was on November 17, another was reported in December in connection with the "wet market" in WuHan, but the bigger picture didn't start to get out until January. They denied person-to-person transmission and the WHO accepted that. At some point China promoted a gigantic banquet in the area of the virus, and also allowed five million people to leave the Wuhan area. Where they went is not reported. I can't keep all this in my head when I hear it on the radio so that's the best I can do at the moment. But the gist is clear. They knew of the virus and suppressed the information, allowing it to spread to the point that they finally had to admit it, which was too late to keep it from spreaking around the world.
There was a report by a journalist at Sky News in Australia read on the radio yesterday. I didn't get her name but it was a thorough run-down of China's responsibility for this situation. Since I didn't get the author's name I googled on "Sky News Australia China Responsbility for Virus" and got some You Tube news reports from Australia which touched on the subject but couldn't find that article.
Among other things it reported that two other pandemics started in China's wet markets, the SARS virus and the Bird Flu, and that in 2004 or 5 China agreed to shut down those markets but apparently did not.
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Message 312 of 955 (874316)
03-29-2020 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 299 by Percy
03-28-2020 12:14 PM


Re: China's responsibility
But this is just part of your effort to justify calling it the China virus or Wuhan virus and to blame China for the pandemic.
Funny, and here I thought it was just that China IS responsible for the pandemic and that's why I believe it to be so. It started in China and they suppressed the information, allowing it to spread. They are very definitely responsible for it, and in my opinion should make reprations for its destruction of so many countries and the economy.

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Message 321 of 955 (874334)
03-29-2020 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 315 by Percy
03-29-2020 7:51 AM


Re: China's responsibility
Yeah I miss a lot of your stuff, Percy,, but my response in this case was appropriate to what you actually said, which accused me of simply wanting to believe that China was the origin of the virus. I answered that it's not about wanting to believe, they WERE the origin of the virus. Nothing else was required in response to what you actually said.
Cheers.

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Message 322 of 955 (874336)
03-29-2020 12:34 PM


Chloroquin and Hydroxychloroquin
This treatment has been recommended by many sources. It was used in France and they recomjmended it. Cuomo said he was recommending it. Various doctors recommend it. Some don't. Fauci thinks it needs more testing. Others say we have sufficient knowledge of the drug to use it now in serious cases, for people who are certainly going to die if nothing more is done than is being done for them. To withhold this drug is criminal under those circumstances. It's been ttested for decades with malaria so dosage and safety are known though all we know about it in relation to this virus so far is anecdota. Nevertheless there is quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that it is very effective and brings about recovery in a couple of days. Again, it is irresponsible if it is not being used on the very serious cases.
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Message 323 of 955 (874338)
03-29-2020 12:46 PM


Hysteria about lifting the lockdown is just more irrational Trump-bashing
Trump HOPES we can lift SOME of the quarantines by Easter or shortly thereafter, and he never said more than that. He has also said it would not be lifted in the "hot spots," only in the places that are not having many cases.

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Message 329 of 955 (874345)
03-29-2020 1:47 PM
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03-29-2020 1:21 PM


Re: Chloroquin and Hydroxychloroquin
The person who died took fish tank cleaner, not the prescribed medication, and then his wife tried to blame that stupidity on Trump. There is lots of evidence that the actual medication, used for decades with malaria, is useful. Yeah I'm sure I can come up with some references, but so could you if you weren't committed to all the lies on this subject.
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Message 330 of 955 (874346)
03-29-2020 1:51 PM
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03-29-2020 1:16 PM


Re: China's responsibility
China was the source of the virus, also of SARS and the Bird Flu, probably from their "wet markets." It is stupid to deny this known fact, and they were probably the source of other pandemics as well but these three are known.

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Faith 
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Message 342 of 955 (874375)
03-30-2020 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 331 by Percy
03-29-2020 1:53 PM


Re: Chloroquin and Hydroxychloroquin
Percy writes:
...this is a personal request to please behave responsibly and leave the quackery out of the thread. Someone has already died,
Somebody died of taking fish tank cleaner, not this treatment.
Today in the Wall Street Journal an opinion piece supporting the use of hydroxychloroquine in the treatment of COVID-19:
In the fight against Covid-19 though we might look forward in doom, one day we will look backward in awe. In an article last week, I discussed a promising drug combination to treat the disease. There is now new data supporting this treatment. Since then, Kansas City area physicians, including Joe Brewer, Dan Hinthorn and me, continue to treat many patients, and some have shown improvement. Major medical centers including the University of Washington and Mass General have added hydroxychloroquine to treatment options. So here’s an update, a response to some questions that have come up, and suggestions based on the latest...
Since I don't subscribe to the WSJ this is all of the piece I'm able to quote.
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Faith 
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Message 346 of 955 (874379)
03-30-2020 4:05 PM
Reply to: Message 344 by Tangle
03-30-2020 3:36 PM


Re: Chloroquin and Hydroxychloroquin
Great news. Interesting about the smell loss.

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Message 347 of 955 (874380)
03-30-2020 4:06 PM
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03-30-2020 1:30 PM


FDA Approves Emergency Use of Malaria Drug
From Politico
The Food and Drug Administration on Sunday issued an emergency use authorization for hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, decades-old malaria drugs championed by President Donald Trump for coronavirus treatment despite scant evidence.
The agency allowed for the drugs to be "donated to the Strategic National Stockpile to be distributed and prescribed by doctors to hospitalized teen and adult patients with COVID-19, as appropriate, when a clinical trial is not available or feasible," HHS said in a statement, announcing that Sandoz donated 30 million doses of hydroxychloroquine to the stockpile and Bayer donated 1 million doses of chloroquine.
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Message 394 of 955 (874440)
04-02-2020 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 392 by Percy
04-02-2020 9:27 AM


Re: Masks Again
Family members are making their own and say there is a movement of sorts to do that. I didn't look it up but apparently there are websites with patterns, and the most popular one uses a certain kind of furnace filter inside a cloth pocket.

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Faith 
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Message 404 of 955 (874454)
04-02-2020 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Percy
04-02-2020 12:13 PM


Re: Masks Again
Sent email requesting information about the furnace filter etc., should hear back soon.

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Faith 
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Message 407 of 955 (874458)
04-02-2020 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 400 by Percy
04-02-2020 12:13 PM


Making Masks
Here's what I got back.
There are several recommended filters. I got Filtrete 2200, but they say anything above 1500 is ok. Filtrete and others make a hepa filter, but I couldn’t find any.
Filters are usually solid by type, so get the largest one available. I bought two 20 x 25. They have a wire mesh like chicken wire glued to them and it’s very easy to get poked by it.
These filters are really put together with a lot of glue so use a pocket knife so you don’t destroy the material..
To a second question I asked:
The one I got says it filters out bacteria, pollen etc, ...
The average filter is 600 - 800, which refers to density
Here's a You Tube page on making masks:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=How+to+make+...
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