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Message 166 of 360 (874043)
03-23-2020 10:42 PM
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03-23-2020 7:03 PM


another alternative
What have you heard about the Cuban drug used in China and Italy?

quote:
Cuba’s Interferon drug effective against coronavirus

Cuba’s Interferon drug effective against coronavirus.

Helen Yaffe, a specialist in Cuban and Latin American development at the University of Glasgow has testified that Cuba’s Interferon Alfa-2B, is now being used to combat the effects of COVID-19. It was used in China, she wrote in a blog published by the London School of Economics on 18 March.

Yaffe said Cuba was able to develop the drug because of its early entry into the biotech industry, which allowed it to harness international expertise and develop medicines to fight dengue fever and meningitis.

The Chinese state rolled into action to combat its spread and care for those infected. Amongst the 30 medicines chosen by the Chinese National Health Commission to fight the virus was a Cuban anti-viral drug called Interferon Alfa-2B, which has been produced in China by the Cuban-Chinese joint venture ChangHeber since 2003.

Cuban Interferon Alfa-2B has proven effective for viruses with characteristics similar to those of COVID-19. Cuban biotech specialist Dr Luis Herrera Martínez explains that “its use prevents aggravation and complications in patients, reaching that stage that can ultimately result in death.”


Not a vaccine, but it appears to mitigate the worst effects and improve the chances for the patients.

Also see Cuba’s Contribution to Combatting COVID-19 - CounterPunch.org ... interferon produced without patent so should not have large cost/marketing ... damn commies ...

quote:
... In March 1981, six Cubans spent 12 days in Finland with the Finnish doctor Kari Cantell, who in the 1970s had isolated interferon from human cells, and had shared the breakthrough by declining to patent the procedure. The Cubans learned to produce large quantities of interferon.

Within 45 days of returning to the island, they had produced their first Cuban batch of interferon, the quality of which was confirmed by Cantell’s laboratory in Finland. ...


Also

quote:
Cuban interferon is effective against covid-19

Interferon alpha 2b is one of the most widely used drugs worldwide to treat patients infected with covid-19. This recombinant that counteracts viral diseases is of Cuban origin.

The drug was created on May 28, 1981 in Havana. A small team of researchers from the Cuban National Research Center and the Hematology Institute were the ones who made the first interferon from white blood cells, under the command of Commander Fidel Castro.

The technology to produce the Heberon Alfa R is incorporated into the joint venture. Already in 2007 the sanitary registration of the product in China was obtained and its marketing began in the Asian country.

Applications. The drug is used to help fight certain types of cancer and other viral diseases; to treat chronic hepatitis B and C infection, hairy cell leukemia, genital warts, Kaposi’s sarcoma, and malignant melanoma follicular non-Hodgkin lymphoma.


Now I knew that Cuba reportedly had a vaccine that combated breast cancer, shrinking the tumors in patients. I did not know that they had this affecting follicular non-Hodgkin lymphoma (my cancer) ...

Might be more worthwhile than Quinines, as there are already positive results.

Enjoy

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Message 167 of 360 (874045)
03-24-2020 12:39 AM
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03-23-2020 9:57 AM


You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
https://www.hunker.com/...-put-in-a-spray-bottle-to-sanitize

My impression is that bleach is the higher powered disinfectant.

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Message 168 of 360 (874051)
03-24-2020 8:00 AM


A voice of reason from...Boris Johnson
Boris Johnson has ordered strict new measures to deal with the coronavirus outbreak in Britain, including closing down all non-essential businesses and ceasing all gatherings larger than two (https://www.cnbc.com/...-to-halt-spread-of-coronavirus.htmlz).

It's good to see the risk of gathering size acknowledged. One must assume that anyone could be a carrier, and only in a group of two will people be able to maintain a safe distance from everyone since there's only one other person to be conscious of, and the concentration of exhalations will be less.

The "six foot safe distance" rule that seems to be cited everywhere is nonsense. I remember walking down a street in New York City years ago and being able to smell a cigar from at least 50 feet in front of me. People's exhalations can travel great distances. They are diluted by time and distance in the vast volume of air that is our atmosphere, but the closer you are to someone and the longer the time spent with them the more likely it is that you will breath in their exhalations, and they yours. If you have them, wear masks. If you don't have them, make them (requires skills and equipment) or wear scarfs or bandanas over your mouth and nose. Toss them and your clothes in the wash when you get home and take a shower.

Many people probably saw video of college students crowding the beaches in Florida during spring break and declaring that they weren't afraid of the virus. Colleges have for the most part closed, so when these students returned home some municipalities ordered them quarantined for two weeks.

It might hit fifty here later today, but right now it's 30 with somewhere north of five inches of newly fallen snow on the ground, so I'll be snowblowing soon. The power was out for about six hours from roughly midnight to six AM. We have a generator that comes on automatically, but some neighbors have manual models.

I was about to go out to start a neighbor's generator for her (her husband is traveling, if you can believe it) when the power came back on. But had I gone out we wouldn't have met in person, and I would have had my mask with me in case it became necessary to meet. The neighbor is an oncologist getting ready to go to work at the nearby hospital where she says the work has become very demanding as the number of patients increase. To provide the necessary coverage they're asking doctors, nurses and other staff to add rounds to their schedules in parts of the hospital they don't normally cover.

Oh joy, our Internet has just gone out (from cable provider). Cellular is still working so I'm back on the Internet using my cell phone as a hotspot.

I wonder how shutdown efforts will affect essential infrastructure like electricity and Internet. Naturally our local problems today are due to the snowfall (when it's a heavy snow like this one it's usually due to the weight of snow causing a tree branch to break and take down power lines), but if too many essential staff become affected either by having to quarantine or by actually becoming ill then issues could arise.

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Message 169 of 360 (874052)
03-24-2020 8:06 AM
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03-24-2020 12:39 AM


Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
When I'm home I use soap and water. When I'm not at home, or when I have something I need to disinfect that can't be washed, I use a spray bottle of 70% isopropyl alcohol. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/...ht-against-coronavirus says bleach is extremely effective but has other qualities that render its use less than ideal.

--Percy


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Message 170 of 360 (874054)
03-24-2020 9:22 AM
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03-24-2020 8:06 AM


Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
When I'm home I use soap and water. When I'm not at home, or when I have something I need to disinfect that can't be washed, I use a spray bottle of 70% isopropyl alcohol.

You talked before about masks being hard to come by. Isopropyl alcohol is also a challenge. I was actually hunting for some for hobby uses while I'm stuck in the flat, but almost everywhere is sold out.


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Message 171 of 360 (874057)
03-24-2020 10:43 AM


Trump Versus the Facts
Trump says he may soon push businesses to reopen, defying advice of public health officials. This is what he's up against, data as of March 22:

Dr. Fauci, the person correcting Trump's misinformation at the TV briefings, has not been present at the last two briefings, and I'll be surprised if we see him in a Trump briefing again. I doubt he'll be fired anytime soon, but it is likely that he'll be gone from the job he's held for 26 years across six presidential administrations as Director of NIAID (National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases) within a few months. His age, 79, will be cited as the reason.

Trump, driven by the news cycle and needy for deference and flattery, is threatening to change things up at a time when we need consistency, focus and single-mindedness of purpose. He'll get considerable pushback from Democratic governors, and I'm expecting he'll get the same level of pushback from Republican ones in populous states. Republican governors in low density states will likely follow Trump's lead, and it is safer for them to do so. For example, Wyoming, the least populous state, has only 29 confirmed cases and no deaths. New York City has 125 deaths alone, and that metropolitan area has an infection rate estimated to be as high as 1 in every 1000, by far the highest anywhere in the world.

--Percy


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Message 172 of 360 (874058)
03-24-2020 11:03 AM
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03-24-2020 9:22 AM


Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
caffeine writes:

You talked before about masks being hard to come by. Isopropyl alcohol is also a challenge. I was actually hunting for some for hobby uses while I'm stuck in the flat, but almost everywhere is sold out.

I was wondering if that would be hard to come by. We bought a couple quarts of 70% isopropyl alcohol a couple months ago figuring it would be more than enough. Now we're not so sure because we didn't expect there would be a run on the stuff.

We also have a quart of 90% that just happened to be sitting around and that we'll dilute down to make it last longer if we end up needing it.

We purchased 24 rolls of toilet paper and 12 rolls of paper towels at the same time, but just because we were running low and that's the size we always get. We had no idea there would be a run on paper products, too.

I'm hearing reports that some grocery stores are out of meat, but ours is only out of chicken. There's plenty of all other meats, from breakfast sausage to ribs to steak. The paper products aisle is empty except for store brand tissues (they must be pretty bad, there were plenty), there's no rice, flour or pasta, very little pasta sauce, and the soup aisle was hit pretty hard. Chips, soda and beer were plentiful. You could tell which breakfast cereals are unpopular because they were the only ones left on the shelves, like Kellogg's Corn Flakes (not Frosted Flakes - they were gone).

Our grocery store has set up a seniors-only time from 7-8 AM, and I think I'll go then this Friday. My wife wants to bake bread, and maybe I'll be able to find some flour.

--Percy


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Message 173 of 360 (874059)
03-24-2020 11:03 AM
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Re: Trump Versus the Facts
Our brilliant Lt Gov wants to end social separation and let everybody just get back to work. And Texas does have what some might call populous areas like Dallas and FT Worth and San Antonio and Corpus Christi and Houston and ...

His position is that Old Farts need to just suck it up and let the younger generation move on. The fact that about 40+% of the hospitalizations are younger folk is irrelevant.

Another great example of believing SOURCE over CONTENT and BELIEFS over REALITY; the hallmark of the CCoI.


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Message 174 of 360 (874062)
03-24-2020 11:34 AM
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03-23-2020 6:24 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Well, it's the battle of the talk show hosts. Hannity thinks the quinine treatments should be used now, Michael Savage was on again last night saying they are poison. It's clear that they can cause brain damage with serious psychological effects, but on the other hand if they can save the people on the verge of death from Covid-19 and they've been used for treating malaria for years, they seem worth a try. I didn't hear much of Savage last night so I don't know if that argument counts with him, and I know Hannity doesn't seem to appreciate the dangers of the drugs. Al the medical people advise caution.

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Message 175 of 360 (874063)
03-24-2020 11:44 AM
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03-23-2020 10:42 PM


W
What have you heard about the Cuban drug used in China and Italy?

Nada, but if I hear something I'll report it.


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Message 176 of 360 (874064)
03-24-2020 11:52 AM
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03-24-2020 11:03 AM


Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
I'm hearing reports that some grocery stores are out of meat, but ours is only out of chicken. There's plenty of all other meats, from breakfast sausage to ribs to steak.

it's weird what is and isn't in stock. I couldn't get any fresh chicken until just this weekend, but there was lots of frozen meats. My sister reports no fresh vegetables but lots of frozen in her store in a suburb of my city but my store has a decent supply of fresh and no frozen veggies.

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Message 177 of 360 (874068)
03-24-2020 12:32 PM
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Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
Bleach, even diluted, is hard on plastic, such as the plastic parts in a car. Better to use alcohol there. Or soap and water of course.

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Message 178 of 360 (874071)
03-24-2020 1:25 PM
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03-24-2020 11:03 AM


Re: Trump Versus the Facts
jar writes:

Our brilliant Lt Gov wants to end social separation and let everybody just get back to work.

I do not have the answer - but saying this is not part of the solution is just as silly as saying the government should shut everything down for months-on-end.

The government certainly can "shut everything down."
But they cannot control people.

Those who rent will likely get hit hardest, first.
These people are also likely to already be living paycheck-to-paycheck.

Remove that paycheck, and what do you have?
A very large portion of people relying on social systems from the government to get money to cover expenses to feed their families.

Have you ever heard of a large scale government system that worked well?
What about one that's being forced to kick it into high gear in a matter of days?
The logistics for being able to help all those who need it as required - is not going to work out.

Projects have the "shutdown" lasting until when - end of summer? 4-5 months from now?
Then what? Everyone comes back out and the virus begins to spread again anyway?

Economic projections say the population can only "hold on" under a shutdown for 1-2 months max.
Then people will be starving and unable to get money to feed their families.

What's worse? Dying of the virus or dying from no food?

Again - I'm not saying I have an answer (it's very complicated.)
But to imply that an extended shutdown will solve everything is just as silly as this guy saying everyone going to back to work right now will fix everything.
There needs to be some practical analysis and some give-and-take on both sides of the issue.
Both sides end in deaths-that-can-be-prevented.
But the prevention methods for one side make the other worse (and vice versa.)
So... what to do?

Some sort of compromise has to happen.
The economy has to function at some level.
While their also has to be some level of gathering-restrictions.

But "extended total shutdown" isn't going to work.
Just as much as "no gathering restrictions at all."


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Message 179 of 360 (874072)
03-24-2020 1:35 PM
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03-24-2020 11:34 AM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
quote:
Arizona man dies after ingesting chloroquine in hopes of treating coronavirus — USA TODAY
Updated 1:11 pm EDT Mar. 24, 2020

PHOENIX – A man has died and his wife was in critical care Monday after the couple ingested a chemical as self-medication for the new coronavirus, Banner Health announced in a press release.
The couple, both in their 60s, ingested chloroquine phosphate, which is an additive commonly used at aquariums to clean fish tanks, the news release said. Within 30 minutes of ingestion, they experienced effects that required admittance to a Banner Health hospital, the hospital said.


Looks like a BAD idea.

Meanwhile the Cuban Interferon alpha 2b continues to work but is curiously not mentioned by whitehouse ...

Perhaps because Cuban? Bias?

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Message 180 of 360 (874075)
03-24-2020 1:46 PM
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03-24-2020 11:52 AM


Re: You might want to consider using dilute Cl bleach
I just came back from Trader Joe's.

The first week they quickly ran out of a lot of items, including most fresh produce (eg, no onions, but they did have shallots), no eggs, no pasta nor sauces. Today, the shelves were well stocked, plenty of eggs, plenty of produce, decent quantities of pasta, etc. The first week the bottled water normally near the checkouts had been emptied, but today pallets of bottled water were out on the floor. I didn't check out the frozen today, but it appeared to be well stocked.


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