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Faith
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Message 181 of 362 (874077)
03-24-2020 1:59 PM
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03-24-2020 1:35 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Whatever THAT was was certainly a bad idea, but what was it?

Is Chloroquine PHOSPHATE the same thing I've been talking about?

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Message 182 of 362 (874081)
03-24-2020 2:20 PM
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03-24-2020 1:35 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Ohio and other states are limiting new prescriptions

Ohio Board of Pharmacy Emergency Rule

People with malaria, rheumatoid arthritis, and lupus are having trouble is some areas getting the medication they KNOW works because selfish people are buying up those same drugs because they MIGHT work. According to at least one article I read, doctors that don't treat possible COVID-19 victims are self-prescribing before they even have symptoms.


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Percy
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Message 183 of 362 (874082)
03-24-2020 2:21 PM
Reply to: Message 174 by Faith
03-24-2020 11:34 AM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Faith writes:

Well, it's the battle of the talk show hosts. Hannity thinks the quinine treatments should be used now, Michael Savage was on again last night saying they are poison.

It's the battle of the nobody cares. Hannity and Savage's expertise and talent is getting people to tune in night after night. That's it. They have no expert health knowledge. Good for you for finding some entertaining programming, but for coronavirus you should be listening to the health experts.

--Percy


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Faith
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Message 184 of 362 (874083)
03-24-2020 2:51 PM
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03-24-2020 2:21 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Not that you care, nor do I care what you care about, but for the record all the talk shows produce long sound bites of all the health professionals. besides the news I hear on the station.
Why is it so important to you to be so obnoxiously leftish?

I'm one of very very few on my side of the political spectrum here but you represent the majority so what's the point of beating me up all the time lately?

By the way these guys have HUGE audiences.

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Message 185 of 362 (874084)
03-24-2020 3:03 PM
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03-24-2020 2:51 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Health professionals?
Who might those be? Hannity or Savage?

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Message 186 of 362 (874085)
03-24-2020 3:20 PM
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03-24-2020 2:51 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
By the way these guys have HUGE audiences.

I don’t doubt that Faith.

I would say, in counterpoint, that over here, one of our most popular TV shows is Love Island; vastly more people regularly order take away crap rather than cook decent food; and celebrity gossip magazines outsell respectable literature by many orders of magnitude. Popularity is not a valid metric of quality.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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jar
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Message 187 of 362 (874087)
03-24-2020 3:27 PM
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03-24-2020 2:51 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
No one doubts they have large audiences Faith. That is the great mystery and the biggest threat the US and the world faces.

It is the old SOURCE over CONTENT and BELIEFS over REALITY threat that really can end civilization.


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Percy
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Message 188 of 362 (874089)
03-24-2020 3:53 PM
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03-24-2020 2:51 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
Faith writes:

Not that you care,...

Of course I care. In the most profound way I want to help you develop the ability to tell truth from fiction, integrity from charlatanism.

...nor do I care what you care about,...

Are you sure you're a Christian?

...but for the record all the talk shows produce long sound bites of all the health professionals. besides the news I hear on the station.

Serious and sincere health professionals would tell them they're promoting quackery, though perhaps in politer terms.

Why is it so important to you to be so obnoxiously leftish?

I told you not to get your health advice from talk shows (which includes Maddow, too) but from health professionals. Dr. Fauci, for example. Truth and accuracy don't have a left or right bias.

The right *is* a bit handicapped at present when it comes to truth and accuracy because it's very difficult to do while not contradicting Trump at the same time. So while I include Maddow among talk show hosts, she doesn't suffer the same handicap as those on the right, so her show is more likely to contain accurate health information.

Tonight you'll probably hear Hannity backing Trump's call for getting the nation out of social distancing and back to work early:

quote:
America will again and soon be open for business — very soon...We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.

All serious health professionals think this is a very bad idea. Let us know what Hannity's "health professionals" say, won't you?

I'm one of very very few on my side of the political spectrum here but you represent the majority so what's the point of beating me up all the time lately?

It's difficult to ignore someone blatantly parading error and ignorance.

By the way these guys have HUGE audiences.

So does The Bachelor, so what? Ratings are a reflection of entertainment value, not truth and accuracy.

--Percy


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jar
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Message 189 of 362 (874091)
03-24-2020 4:04 PM
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03-24-2020 3:53 PM


we need to test everybody.
So today FEMA proudly announce that soon they will have 60,000 test kits available.

What an absolute joke. What's needed is 2 or 3 hundred million test kits.

Edited by jar, : fix sub-title


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dwise1
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Message 190 of 362 (874093)
03-24-2020 4:26 PM
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03-24-2020 3:53 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
I told you not to get your health advice from talk shows (which includes Maddow, too) but from health professionals.

That is most certainly true.

However, there is a clear pattern to Rachel Maddow's interviews with health professionals (including those formerly involved in the pandemic task force which Trump disbanded). Her very first question to each of her professional medical guests is whether anything she had just said was incorrect or inaccurate. IOW, she shows concern that the information that she presents is accurate.

I doubt very much that the talk show hosts that Faith listens to share her concern for accuracy and hence I would be very surprised to hear that they also request that what they had said be fact-checked.

It's difficult to ignore someone blatantly parading error and ignorance.

Especially when that error and ignorance has gotten people killed and will end up killing so many more.

Faith writes:

By the way these guys have HUGE audiences.


So does The Bachelor, so what? Ratings are a reflection of entertainment value, not truth and accuracy.

The informal fallacy that Faith just deployed is the every popular argumentum ad populum, "appeal to the people". As if reality were subject to a majority vote.

A counter to her "argument" that comes immediately to mind is an old graffito: "Eat sh*t. 500 billion flies cannot be wrong."

Are you sure you're a Christian?

A "true Christian", most certainly. An actual Christian? Now that is open for debate.


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Percy
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Message 191 of 362 (874094)
03-24-2020 5:06 PM
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03-24-2020 11:03 AM


Re: Trump Versus the Facts
jar writes:

His position is that Old Farts need to just suck it up and let the younger generation move on. The fact that about 40+% of the hospitalizations are younger folk is irrelevant.

Yeah, it's kind of this weird combination of inhumanity and ignorance. You can almost hear him doing an Emily Litella imitation: "What, my age group is just as affected? Never mind."

--Percy


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jar
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Message 192 of 362 (874095)
03-24-2020 5:12 PM


La Grippe

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Message 193 of 362 (874096)
03-24-2020 5:58 PM
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03-24-2020 4:04 PM


Move Along PPeople. Nothing To See Here
Double Post

Edited by AdminPhat, : double post by dwise1


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jar
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Message 194 of 362 (874097)
03-24-2020 6:13 PM


Mario for President
Screw em all

Mario for President!


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dwise1
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Message 195 of 362 (874098)
03-24-2020 6:58 PM
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03-24-2020 4:04 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
So today FEMA proudly announce that soon they will have 60,000 test kits available.

What an absolute joke. What's needed is 2 or 3 hundred million test kits.

What is needed is the widest possible use of both kinds of tests.

For the most part, our attention is focused on the swab test for whether you are currently infected, which is needed to identify cases that need to be isolated (including those Typhoid Marys who are asymptomatic and hence don't realize they need to self-quarantine).

But perhaps much more important is the blood test for antibodies to the virus. That would mean that you had been infected but you fought it off and should now be immune and are no longer a carrier.

Those are the people that we need to come out and work to keep our social systems functioning. And healthcare professionals with those antibodies are needed all the more.

About a week ago, I saw an interview with Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont where he was begging for test kits for 200 nurses who were self-quarantined as a precaution. He had an immediate need for all the nurses he could get and if most of those nurses were not infected then they were being withheld for no good reason, provided they could get tested. Which they can't.

Every morning MSNBC carries NY Gov. Cuomo's daily address, where he shows a helluva lot more leadership and understanding of the situation that we could ever hope to get from Old Orange Stain. He's talking about the massive need for ventilators within the next 14 days, so ventilators promised a few months out will do him absolutely no good.

We've seen the pattern elsewhere, so we know what to plan for. We have a curve of increasing infections culminating in increased hospital loading which happens over about a 15-day period. Every state is at a different place on this curve that every state will end up fighting. New York appears to be the first on this curve.

Cuomo's proposal is to concentrate efforts (and ventilators) on New York first -- HHS still has 20,000 ventilators stockpiled, just sitting there doing nobody any good. There are even experiments to set up one ventilator to service two patients at the same or concurrent time(s). Then when New York has handled its critical hospital surge, it can ship those resources to the next states that need them.

Trump is just trying to wish this entire shitshow away. Cuomo is trying to do something about it. The contrast could not be any starker (yet the likes of Faith will remain forever blind to that).

On that last, there was an epic sci-fi show, Babylon 5. Here is a truly epic scene:

The Vorlon is an ancient race of which nobody knows nothing. And yet they present themselves in whatever form the other races can handle.

The kicker came later with Londo Mollari, the Centauri ambassador. After the Vorlon ambassador, Kosh, basically revealed himself before everybody to be basically every single religious icon of all the races assembled, but all that Londo Mollari could honestly say was that he had seen absolutely nothing whatsoever. Absolutely nothing.


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