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Faith
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Message 196 of 360 (874099)
03-24-2020 9:02 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by dwise1
03-24-2020 6:58 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
You say Cuomo is "doing something about it?" What is he doing besides yelling about needing things that aren't available, that his own state's liberal laws limited in such a way that they can't be available?

While meanwhile businesses have been retooling their factories in order to produce the stuff he and the rest of the entire world need right now. Seems to me THEY are "doing something about it" while Cuomo is just bleating to no purpose. No CONSTRUCTIVE purpose anyway, though possibly a partisan politifal purpose perhaps.

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Faith
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Message 197 of 360 (874100)
03-24-2020 9:11 PM
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03-24-2020 3:20 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
I only mentioned their huge audiences because Percy seemed to be saying nobody listens to them.

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Faith
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Message 198 of 360 (874101)
03-24-2020 9:30 PM
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03-24-2020 3:53 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
You accuse me of "error and ignorance" but have failed to mention any instances of these in this discussion.


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Faith
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Message 199 of 360 (874102)
03-24-2020 9:33 PM
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03-24-2020 4:26 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
You too accuse me of error and ignorance, in this case to the degree that it will kill people without giving even a hint as to what you are talking about.

You also say you"doubt very much" if any of the people I listen to care about the truth, obviously knowing nothing about any of it, yet you accuse ME of this kind of crap?


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Message 200 of 360 (874103)
03-24-2020 9:53 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
03-24-2020 9:02 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
At the very least, Gov Cuomo is directly addressing his constituents about the realities of the situation.

He is looking at the realitites of what he's going to need to do and have to handle. Certainly none of the total BS from Trump which now includes conspiracy-theory nonsense that will get a lot of people killed.

This curve has a 15-day lifetime. Any "solution" which is 3, 4, or 8 months out is no solution at all. Why are you not able to understand that?

While meanwhile businesses have been retooling their factories in order to produce the stuff he and the rest of the entire world need right now. Seems to me THEY are "doing something about it" while Cuomo is just bleating to no purpose. No CONSTRUCTIVE purpose anyway, though possibly a partisan politifal purpose perhaps.

No. Not yet.

Capital. Capital. It all takes capital. And workers. Nothing happens by magic, instead within your own private universe, Faith.


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Message 201 of 360 (874105)
03-25-2020 12:42 AM


interesting article:
Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

Kinda grim in that it seems what the US is doing is WRONG. We should be doing both lines of attack with the full kitchen sink of strategies,


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Message 202 of 360 (874106)
03-25-2020 12:53 AM
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03-25-2020 12:42 AM


Re: interesting article:
Kinda grim in that it seems what the US is doing is WRONG. We should be doing both lines of attack with the full kitchen sink of strategies,

Trump is in charge. Nu? And your point is?


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Message 203 of 360 (874107)
03-25-2020 1:13 AM
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03-24-2020 9:33 PM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
You also say you"doubt very much" if any of the people I listen to care about the truth, obviously knowing nothing about any of it, yet you accuse ME of this kind of crap?

SO PROVE ME WRONG!

That should be very simple, if you had any possible position to argue from.

I very much doubt that you can do so.

So prove me wrong, already.

Should be so simple for you to do. So why won't you?


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Tangle
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Message 204 of 360 (874108)
03-25-2020 3:34 AM


If anything good comes out of this at all, it might be that even the Trumpian deluded masses will notice that Trump made a total horlicks of this. Well those that survive it.

This virus doesn't read his tweets or care what garbage he utters, it's got its own agenda and only total isolation can stop it. We're hearing now that New York is now likely to become the epicentre of the disease.

quote:
Today New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said the COVID-19 pandemic case count is doubling every 3 days in his state, as the World Health Organization (WHO) warned that the United States could become the next epicenter of the novel coronavirus, given that the country accounted for 40% of new cases recorded globally over the past 24 hours.

Meanwhile Trump surrounds himself with people that just nod and fiddles as Rome burns - he wants the country "opened up and raring to go by Easter Sunday," He really is a dangerous, self-serving arsehole.


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Faith
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Message 205 of 360 (874109)
03-25-2020 6:05 AM
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03-25-2020 1:13 AM


Re: The Quinine Drugs Problematic Miracle Cure?
I'm not interested in proving anything beyond what I just proved about how you say you doubt something when you have zero evidence of it. That's enough.

Beyond that I asked you what "errors and ignorance" you are imputing to me, which you didn't answer at all. Far as I know I've committed neither error nor ignorance in this discussion.


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Faith
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Message 206 of 360 (874110)
03-25-2020 6:12 AM
Reply to: Message 204 by Tangle
03-25-2020 3:34 AM


The reason the case count reported by Cuomo is doubling every day is thay are now getting the test kits and are able to see how many there are through those. Are the counts actually doubling or do they simply have the means to count them that they didn't have until recently.

Trump wants the country to open up because the economic disaster would be worse than the virus if it goes on too long. He is serving the country, not himself, but all you know apparently is what EvC people in general know, which is what the Trump-hating activist nonjournalistic media feed you. He also said only that Easter is a good day to shoot for, not that there's anything hard and fast about that date. It depends on how things develop with the virus AND the economy between now and then. Trump is a great leader, too bad the Left can't see it.

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Faith
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Message 207 of 360 (874111)
03-25-2020 6:22 AM
Reply to: Message 200 by dwise1
03-24-2020 9:53 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
You say the companies that are reorganizing to produce the medical supplies aren't yet up and running, but I've been hearing that they are and one thing that is now being produced in great numbers is the testing kits.

Cuomo is getting many of those kits and that's why he can tell that the number of cases is apparently doubling every day though perhaps the tests are simply picking up cases that have existed for some time.

Again I note that the reason they are particularly in short supply of all kinds of medical necessities in New York is that they are one of the states that adopted the ridiculous law that limited how many of such supplies hospitals and other health services were allowed to buy. The Left is truly a scourage on this country. The liberal crap they put in the stimulus package was disgusting partisan opportunism and it only servced their own destructive goals of changing America into a third world socialist swamp. I think saner heads prevailed at least to the extent of getting some of that removed. Trump is trying to do what the country needs, support the businesses that hire the workers that make the country prosper while the Left tries to destroy the source of prosperity.

I think it's Budweiser that is putting out hand sanitizer and I hear that is also underway already.

I can't find this at Google, but then Google is another Leftist destroyer of America and do their best to suppress anything good that the Trump administration does, same as all our corrupted media these days.

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Tangle
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Message 208 of 360 (874112)
03-25-2020 7:36 AM
Reply to: Message 206 by Faith
03-25-2020 6:12 AM


Faith writes:

Trump is a great leader, too bad the Left can't see it.

The thing about great leaders is that pretty much everyone agrees that they're great leaders. Otherwise they're just partisan wannabes.

Another prophesy for you Faith, your country will be in a bigger crisis at Easter than it is now. He's a total jerk.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 209 of 360 (874113)
03-25-2020 8:17 AM
Reply to: Message 196 by Faith
03-24-2020 9:02 PM


Re: we need to test everybody.
He's testing and telling the truth. The latter is a new concept il Donaldo has yet to learn.

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Message 210 of 360 (874114)
03-25-2020 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by Faith
03-25-2020 6:22 AM


Liberal crap v. necessary expenditures
The liberal crap they put in the stimulus package was disgusting partisan opportunism and it only servced their own destructive goals of changing America into a third world socialist swamp.

Are we speaking about the Senate Democrats holding up the Senate bill? 'Cause here's the "liberal crap" they demanded:

From the New York Times:

Democrats Near Deal With White House on Stimulus Package

A crucial breakthrough came when Democrats won concessions from the Trump administration to add strict oversight over the $500 billion corporate aid fund, including installing an inspector general and a panel appointed by Congress to monitor it. The vast majority of the fund would go to the Federal Reserve to cover loans.

Democrats had balked at a version of the stimulus measure drafted by Republicans that they were concerned would give Mr. Mnuchin too much latitude in deciding which companies could receive the funds, and allow him to delay revealing the recipients until six months after the loans were disbursed. They said it would have created a secretive government slush fund controlled by the president and his top advisers, rather than a closely monitored program accountable to taxpayers.

One would think that oversight and accountability would simply be "good government", not "liberal crap".

Both Ms. Pelosi and Mr. Schumer, in a separate call with Senate Democrats, said they had secured $130 billion for hospitals, $55 billion more than originally provided, people familiar with the calls said, as well as $150 billion for state and local governments.

Does giving money to hospitals during a pandemic make a country a third-world socialist swamp? Apparently so, just like giving money directly to states and local governments is no longer an idea conservatives are trying to claim?

Under the newly negotiated terms, those already on unemployment before the crisis would also see their benefits extended 13 weeks beyond when they are currently set to run out, according to a Democratic aide familiar with the talks.

Okay, this part I agree with. It has mainly been liberals who are concerned that people in need can continue to pay the rent and buy groceries.

But maybe Faith is talking about the House version? I admit I don't know much of the details there, but maybe someone can fill us in on the "liberal crap" it contains.

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