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LamarkNewAge
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Message 451 of 955 (874535)
04-05-2020 12:02 PM


I am wondering if the RealTree Fleece Hood woukd be useful
I got one when it was always 25 dollars but I don't know what it is now. It is too hot to wear now but it is the warmest thing ever for super cold weather. Comfortable too. Don't know if it is useful though.
Can't find it online.
My package sticker says
B03445
Extreme Weather Fleece Hood
Max5
8. 48222 03445 4
Made in China
24.99
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14174dm
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Message 452 of 955 (874537)
04-05-2020 1:29 PM


Are we counting mortality the best way?
One of several news articles about overall death rate and whether coronavirus death counts are accurate
Coronavirus Is Only Part of the ‘Excess Fatality’ Mystery
Italy and Spain are showing total death rates at multiples of normal rates. The coronavirus may be contributing by causing deaths that are correctly attributed to corornavirus, are caused by coronavirus but not labeled as such for various reasons, and by overwhelming local medical staff & facilities so other causes of death are not treated.
Not sure where to find this information but I would be curious to see if the same increase is happening other places like NYC, New Orleans, Wuhan, etc.

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RAZD
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Message 453 of 955 (874543)
04-05-2020 3:41 PM
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04-05-2020 1:29 PM


Re: Are we counting mortality the best way?
Not sure where to find this information but I would be curious to see if the same increase is happening other places like NYC, New Orleans, Wuhan, etc.
We know that the number of people infected is under-reported, because not everyone has been tested.
We know that there are people that are infected but not showing symptoms, some because the incubation period is ~10 days +/-, and because some may be asymptotic and have antibodies that could be useful.
We know that there are people that have died, either directly from the virus or by the virus in combination with pre-existing conditions (weak immune system, already sick, etc), because they were tested positive.
Then there are people that have died without being tested, cause unknown. This could be approximated by applying the pre-covid death rate.
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Message 454 of 955 (874549)
04-05-2020 5:53 PM
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04-05-2020 11:34 AM


Re: Masks Again --- Filter Materials
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm_NmpdgWWA&feature=youtu...
Not mentioned is that the wire is used to fit mask over the nose bridge.
You could also handsew this mask
or sacrifice an old t-shirt
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwXAqY5MFNM&fbclid=IwAR0o...
You could insert filter material inside and safetypin or hand stitch the bottom
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LamarkNewAge
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Message 455 of 955 (874555)
04-05-2020 9:18 PM


Ventilators are about to be rationed. Awful situation caused by polutical class.
Louisiana pushed back the rationing to probably Thursday.
New York City is going to be a miserable medical ethics situation.
The United Kingdom has already started to tell who gets ventilators refused.
Anybody with COPD will be refused in the U. K. and left to die. Young get priority over the old. This is just about the beginning of hell.

  
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Message 456 of 955 (874561)
04-06-2020 7:22 AM
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04-05-2020 5:53 PM


OMG: Masks and Gowns and Respirators oh My ...
quote:
PolitiFact | Yes, US shipped donated personal protective equipment to China in February
On February 7, the WHO warned about the limited stock of PPE. That same day, the Trump administration announced it was sending 18 tons of masks, gowns and respirators to China.
National shortages of masks, gowns and other personal protective equipment have exacerbated concerns that U.S. doctors and nurses are not getting the supplies needed to help COVID-19 patients.
The surging demand for masks led President Donald Trump to charge, without evidence, that the equipment earmarked for New York’s hospitals has been "going out the back door." But some people are pointing the blame back at Trump, who downplayed the threat of the virus early on despite warnings from experts about the health care system’s readiness.
One claim we’ve heard from politicians, TV commentators and social media users is that the U.S. gave away medical supplies that are now sorely needed at home.
"On February 7, the (World Health Organization) warned about the limited stock of PPE," said a March 31 Facebook post, using an acronym for personal protective equipment. "That same day, the Trump administration announced it was sending 18 tons of masks, gowns and respirators to China. Now our health care workers are dying because of no PPE.
What a great way to protect the American people, what a great way to plan for the virus in America.
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Message 457 of 955 (874562)
04-06-2020 7:54 AM


A bit of good news?
A lot of optimism from the government's info updates here in Czech Republic. The government here imposed restrictions on movement quite early in comparison with most of Europe. The number of people being hospitalised appears to have levelled off, and the proportion of tests coming back positive has significantly dropped. There have been a few sick people brought over from France, since we have spare capacity in intensive care.
The plan now is to look into gradually reducing restrictions on movement and businesses. My prediction is that more shops will be allowed to reopen after Easter weekend.

  
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Message 458 of 955 (874563)
04-06-2020 8:22 AM


Boris Johnson our Prime Minister was admitted to hospital last night.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona
"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android
"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Percy
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Message 459 of 955 (874564)
04-06-2020 8:24 AM


Re: The Stupid Just Keeps On Coming
All news outlets reported Trump silencing truth: Trump blocks Fauci from answering question about drug Trump is touting.
Just after Trump again promoted hydroxychloroquine Fauci was asked about the medical evidence for it. Trump interrupted and prevented Fauci from answering the question. Trump is muzzling truth.
--Percy

  
Percy
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Message 460 of 955 (874565)
04-06-2020 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 439 by Percy
04-04-2020 10:46 AM


Re: The Latest US Coronavirus Graph
Here's today's graph:
The website with the mortality projections has been updated to April 5, here's their graph:
Note that the number of projected deaths by August 4 has dropped from 93,531 to 81,766. Here's the table updated with their latest data so it can be seen how accurate their original projections were:
DateProjected
Total Deaths
Actual
Total Deaths
Projected
Increase
Actual
Increase
Difference
4/1/20204,7744,7749009000
4/2/20205,8095,9141,0351,140-105
4/3/20207,0047,0711,1951,157-67
4/4/20208,3638,8261,3591,755-396
4/5/20209,8931,530
4/6/202011,5921,699
4/7/202013,4571,865
4/8/202015,4812,169
4/9/202017,6502,296
4/10/202019,9462,407
4/11/202022,3532,497
4/12/202024,8502,562
4/13/202027,4122,610
4/14/202030,0222,637
4/15/202032,6592,644
4/16/202035,3032,634
4/17/202037,9372,607
4/18/202040,5442,565
4/19/202043,1092,512
4/20/202045,6212,447
4/21/202048,0682,376
4/22/202050,4442,296
4/23/202052,7402,213
4/24/202054,9532,127
4/25/202057,0802,039
4/26/202059,1191,951
4/27/202061,0701,864
4/28/202062,9341,779
4/29/202064,7131,695
4/30/202066,4081,695
5/1/202068,0221,614
5/2/202069,5591,463
5/3/202071,0221,391
5/4/202072,4131,322
5/5/202073,7351,256
5/6/202074,9911,194
5/7/202076,1851,133
5/8/202077,3181,073
5/9/202078,3911,016
5/10/202079,407960
5/11/202080,367908
5/12/202081,275856
5/13/202082,131808
5/14/202082,939761
5/15/202083,700715
5/16/202084,415670
5/17/202085,085628
5/18/202085,713587
5/19/202086,300549
5/20/202086,849511
5/21/202087,360478
5/22/202087,838444
5/23/202088,282413
5/24/202088,695384
5/25/202089,079356
5/26/202089,435330
5/27/202089,765304
5/28/202090,069282
5/29/202090,351260
5/30/202090,611241
5/31/202090,852
The error should increase as we get further from April 1, the date of the original projection, but the error so far ranges from 1.7% to 4.4%. We do know a lot more than nothing. It isn't just hypothetical speculation. Notice that their projection substantially undercuts the Trump administration's projections of 100,000-240,000. By the end of May we will see how well a two month old projection held up over time.
--Percy
Edited by Percy, : Widen images.
Edited by Percy, : Typo.
Edited by Percy, : Change mortality graph URL.

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Percy
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Message 461 of 955 (874573)
04-06-2020 10:59 AM


How Do We Reopen the Country?
In all likelihood a coronavirus vaccine will not be available until next summer over a year from now. How do we reopen the country soon (around May or so) while making certain that as few people as possible become infected?
The answer is masks. We must become a country of masks. Everyone everywhere must wear a mask when out and about among people. People can work in offices with their masks. People can work on construction sites and loading docks and drive buses and so forth while wearing masks. Professional sports can resume when the rapid test becomes available to them. Players could take the floor without a mask if they test negative that day. All fans must wear masks. Eating and drinking would not be allowed.
This solution means that the government's top priority must be production of high quality masks, preferably N95, but anything is far better than nothing. There must be enough masks for everyone to have a clean new mask every day. That's 325 million masks per day.
Can we do this? You would think that the country that within months of Pearl Harbor found a way to bomb Tokyo and within a year was churning out tanks, ships and planes could rapidly ramp up production of something so simple as a mask, but this is beyond the Trump administration's ability to conceive or achieve.
To reopen the country we will have to rely on homemade masks, which when made from cloth can be washed. Here at our house we've been making and supplying masks to friends and the local hospital (full disclosure: my wife is the sewing talent, my contribution of finding and inserting the filter material is minor). It shouldn't be hard to get a decent mask.
When you vote this fall, if you understand that the country's safety and security is not in competent hands, if you realize that Trump is only the president of those who give him fealty (something he not only makes no attempt to hide but shouts from the rooftops), then you must vote in a way that insures Trump is turned out of office. We need someone who is president of all the country, not just the portion that voted for him. Turning Trump out of office doesn't mean voting for the green candidate or casting a protest vote for Bernie.
--Percy
PS: Restaurants and bars remain an issue because it's not possible to eat or drink while wearing a mask. Perhaps they can be opened to people bearing an electronic card that indicates that they've tested negative that day.

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jar
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Message 462 of 955 (874574)
04-06-2020 11:01 AM
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04-06-2020 10:59 AM


Re: How Do We Reopen the Country?
Looking at what is happening now in China can be frightening.
People are basically stupid.

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Message 463 of 955 (874585)
04-06-2020 12:06 PM
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04-06-2020 11:01 AM


Re: How Do We Reopen the Country?
Well maybe if (well really it's when) the virus pops up again in China, it will spur our government to slow the loosening of the distancing protocols.

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JonF
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Message 464 of 955 (874598)
04-06-2020 3:25 PM


Every day this administration gets worse. Exponentially.
.Peter Navarro: 'I Bet On Trump's Intuition' Over Science When It Comes To Treatment Of COVID-19.
quote:
He said, "In the fog of war we might take more risks than we otherwise would."
He then bragged about its success against malaria, which has no bearing on the coronavirus, but it is an approved White House talking point.
"There are side effects," he said as if that is a meaningless statement. What f**king side effects?
He continued, "If it saves lives that's a beautiful thing and I think history will judge who's right on this debate."
Medical treatments for the most part that involve drugs are not up for "debate" after they've been tested.
They work or they don't, but judgement is made after detailed studies and tests are completed.
"But I bet on President Trump's intuition on this one, because of all the doctors in all the scientific papers I've read (He made a hand gesture making believe it was a thick pile of studies) and they're about this high.
At least he is a doctor. Of Social Science.
And the Faiths slave over this crud.

  
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Message 465 of 955 (874599)
04-06-2020 3:31 PM


Xerox Will Mass Produce Disposable Ventilators In Partnership With Vortran To Fight Coronavirus
quote:
The copier giant plans to help Vortran, a small medical-device manufacturer, scale production of its GO2Vent ventilator and related airway pressure monitor, APM-Plus, from approximately 15,000 before the crisis and 40,000 ventilators in April to between 150,000 and 200,000 a month by June. Their goal is to eventually produce as many as 1 million of these ventilators for both the U.S. and global markets.
The GO2Vent, which is disposable and costs approximately $120, is not a replacement for ventilators used in ICUs for the most critically ill patients, but rather a device that can be used for lower- and medium-risk patients to free up those devices for the patients who most need them. The device is gas-operated and can be operated on a compressor, oxygen or air for up to 30 days.

  
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