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candle2
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Message 359 of 472 (912770)
09-30-2023 9:37 AM
Reply to: Message 346 by Tangle
09-27-2023 7:36 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Tangle, I cannot say why GDR believes what he does
about God. But I know why God allows all that He does.
God is not trying to save all of humanity during this
present age.
He is only calling out those who being offered a place in
His coming Kingdom on earth. They are
He is allowing Muslims, Catholics, Hindus, Buddhists,
etc..., to worship in they way they see fit.
These people are not now being judged concerning
eternal life.
However, some of them have already condemned
themselves. For example, Muslims who hate Christians
so much that they lop off their heads.
The first resurrection are for the called. They rule with
Christ in His 1000 year Kingdom on earth.
The flesh an blood humans who repent and develop
Godly character during this 1000 years will also join God's
family.
All of these, plus those who were in the first resurrection,
will set out to convert all who come up on the second
resurrection.
The second resurrection is not a sentencing. It is a time
of judging. They will come back as flesh and blood. This
is a resurrection to correction.
God knows the best ways to get humans to turn to Him.
The second resurrection consists of all who have ever
lived, with the exception of those who turned their backs
to God's calling; plus those who were incorguable evil, as
well as those who sold their lives to Satan.
All of these will be in the third resurrection. They have
already been judged.
I look around and see exactly what I would expect from
a world that is basically cut off from God.
Remember, Adam and Eve rejected God's guidance. They
were determined to decide what was right and wrong,
good and evil for themselves.
God has allowed humans 6000 years to do this for
themselves, with the exception of the called.
Matthew 24 tells us that if Christ delayed His return any
longer that we would kill ourselves off. All of us.
God then shows us His way.
The God that I know will, in His time, reveal Himself to
everyone, including those who practice other religions.
He loves us all.

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Message 362 of 472 (912776)
09-30-2023 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 355 by AZPaul3
09-29-2023 6:38 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
AZP, do you honestly belief that humans are basically
animals much like dogs, cats, hippos, etc...?

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Message 363 of 472 (912777)
09-30-2023 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 361 by Tangle
09-30-2023 10:05 AM


Re: The evolution of morality
Tangle, it doesn't bother me in the least that you believe
in Thor, or Loki, or the tooth fairy. If they are your gods, so
be it.
I won't criticize you for it.

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Message 366 of 472 (912781)
09-30-2023 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 364 by AZPaul3
09-30-2023 12:12 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
AZ, do you know that cats and other animals kill for fun.
Sharks, for one, eat smaller animals of their own species.
A number of animals regularly engage in cannibalism,
which includes mothers eating their own.
Why would atheists and evolutionists expect humans to
be any different. Aren't we just animals?
How come A&E don't call cats, sharks, etc... serial killers?
If we are all just animals, who will evolve into something
else in a million years, why not just do what Aleister
Crowley, the great Satanist, advised: "do what thou wilt?"
If we are just animals, it would be to our benefit to rid the
world of three quarters of us. There would be less
competition for the available resources.
Why not get rid of the sick and aged, as well as those with
low IQ's? They take more than they give.

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Message 367 of 472 (912782)
09-30-2023 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 365 by Percy
09-30-2023 1:05 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
Percy, if you would learn to read between the lines, you
would see that I was toying with him.

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Message 378 of 472 (912817)
10-02-2023 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 371 by AZPaul3
09-30-2023 6:38 PM


Re: The evolution of morality
AZ, you and the other atheists on this forum believe that
there is no difference between humans and animals.
Yet, all of you have a double standard. If it is acceptable
for other animals to be serial killers; and, if it is acceptable
for mothers to eat their own offspring; then how can you
deny humans this same freedom?
Since we are all just filthy animals, with brains made up
of random atoms, how do you justify holding humans to
a different standard?
If a cat is caught randomly killing small creatures just for
the fun of it, should they be charged with murder? Would
they not then be serial killers?
You like to criticize God of committing evil acts. But
where do you get a definition of evil? If you say that you
get if from God, that is nonsense. You do not believe in
God.
Why should a human who has been found guilty of
killing humans of another race be punished if he truly
believes they are out to harm him? What if he believes
they are more fit than he?
Isn't this all about survival of the fittest? Suppose he
honestly believes that others are more fit than he. How
can he be held accountable if he kills those he believes
are more fit. He wants to be the fittest.
Or in the case of the Nazis, who accepted Darwin's
premise that some races are superior to others; why do
we judge them so harshly? Why was it wrong for them
to kill others races less fit than them?
Social construct is simply humans knowing that we are
different. We know that we are far above mere animals.
There can be no reason for the different standard that
we hold humans to in comparison to animals, other than
we know we are different than they are.
We are so far above them that we know we are their
caretakers, just as God instructed us to be.
This is why I volunteer at two animal shelters. This is why
I have ten cats and two dogs.
Every one of them found their way to my house looking
for food and safety.
They know that we are far superior to them. They are not
nearly as naive as atheists.

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