Morality without God is impossible

I'm curious as to why you think that if there is some other sense of morality out there, that it must be better than ours by default, let alone Absolute in terms of its moral pronouncements.Parents pass all kinds of negative traits to their children all the time; how do you assume that this would not be the the case if there was some Cosmic creative intelligence responsible for our existence? How do you make the leap from "There is something out there," to "Everything about that something is moral perfection."?To me this is the essence of the tiny child's thoughts. Toddlers make the assumption that mom and dad are strong and good, and can't imagine flaws in them. Maybe we need to be more mature in our assumptions about things we can't possibly understand.

Tangle says: Phat says: I agree with you here Phat!BUT...Do you believe that God commanded Moses to slaughter the Midianites, and that Moses got angry at his soldiers when he saw they hadn't killed enough women?
Did God command Joshua to destroy Jericho and kill every living thing inside the walls, including pregnant mothers and infants? I have harped on about this with Faith before, but you guys bring it out of me every time.Thank "God" that in reality evidence disproves these tales, and it ONLY shows primitive people being bastards to each other in the name of their local religion. Your problem starts immediately though when you add a mystical layer of externally imposed morals. Your problem only compounds when you claim (without evidence) that that externally imposed morality was (and remains) the ultimate in good.If Scripture is true and Moses and Joshua were obeying the voice of God then it was so much more than bastards just being bastards. They were bastards obeying commands of another external Bastard. Why is it your God is real when you want a warm and fuzzy "personal relationship" security blanket, but just a "plot device" when His dark and evil side shows?I understand why your brain can't bring itself to be honest with this reality, but it looks just sad and ridiculous!

Phat writes: You should reject this. In its entirety. It's absurd.Any nonsensical concept could be substituted in here. Look: Given that (some absurd concept) exists, do humans have access to (some other absurd concept)?Given that Leprechauns exist, do humans have access to pots of gold at the end of rainbows?Given that Allah exists, do martyrs have access to 72 virgins in paradise?It's the purest nonsense, don't fool yourself. If He had existed as described in the Old Testament, He would have demanded rivers of children's blood. Don't confuse that with "firm and unchanging." And if He is unchanged from the Old Testament He is still that bloodthirsty monster, and you are defending Him.As for the rest of your post, you've got to stop beating yourself up for being human. We aren't going to be redeemed superheroes standing to "redeem creation" at the end of time. We live and die just people. And that's okay. You have empathy for others, yet are driven to protect yourself and those closest to you genetically. You are human. You are primate. You are mammal. These are all characteristics shared by our mammal cousins all over the world.Welcome to the real world...you can enjoy it if you want to! Just cut the stupid self-imposed guilt trip.