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Message 7 of 143 (872619)
02-29-2020 7:37 PM
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02-29-2020 6:56 PM


Re: The Sociological Implications Of Corvid-19
Keep hand sanitizer all over your living space for cleaning hands when not near a sink..

Have moistened antiseptic tissues like Clorox handy and wipe everything obsessively from countertops to door handles and especially anything you happen to sneeze on.

If stick friggin finger into friggin nose, follow with an alcohol swab and hand washing or sanitizing. -- in fact do that BEFORE sticking friggin finger …..

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Message 12 of 143 (872684)
03-02-2020 9:51 AM
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Re: The Sociological Implications Of Corvid-19
The drying effect of alcohol is a problem but coconut oil helps alleviate that and it's said to have antibacterial and antiviral properties too. Aloe vera is also said to be antiviral as well as antibacterial. You can find hand sanitizers that contain aloe vera.

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Message 14 of 143 (872687)
03-02-2020 10:40 AM
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03-02-2020 10:20 AM


Re: The Sociological Implications Of Corvid-19
I had to look it up: the virus name doesn't have an r in it.

It's COVID-19.

If you put an r in it you havea a word that refers to a bird group that includes crows.

So just remove the R.

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Message 26 of 143 (872757)
03-03-2020 3:22 PM
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03-03-2020 10:27 AM


Stocking up
Well, I had hand sanitizer on my shopping list. Scratch that for the near future I guess. Fortunately I have some on hand, also various disinfectants and soap etc. If we have to hole up for months I'll run out of food though.

My sister just wrote me that their Costco in So. Calif. had long lines and were running out of everything too.

Radio has been airing a warning about the uselessness of the masks since most of us misuse them, and say medical personnel are being deprived of them because of the run on them in the stores.

I'd like to think we'll be so overprepared so early we'll just stomp the thing dead in its tracks.

I'm certainly in the age group that isn't supposed to handle this sort of virus very well, but I can only do what I can do and pray. Quite a few at EvC pushing the age boundaries too, but I bet I'm at the top of the range. I'd prefer to be taken out by the Rapture of course.


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Message 29 of 143 (872764)
03-03-2020 3:51 PM
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Re: Stocking up
Good to know. Have the alcohol but no aloe vera gel. Coconut oil though, that should do, just can't blend them together. But there's still soap and water you know.

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Message 30 of 143 (872765)
03-03-2020 3:53 PM
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03-03-2020 3:36 PM


Re: Desparately seeking a silver lining!
Good thought, I take D3 too. Also have powdered C on hand. Also a powdered vitamin mix.

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Message 39 of 143 (873143)
03-10-2020 2:41 PM


Inadequate containment of the virus
I happened to hear one hour of one of my conservative radio talk shows last night, Michael Savage, who was talking about how the response to this virus was inept in his opinion and if he was czar all traffic from China would have been immediately stopped dead for one thing, and I assume from all other countries that showed an outbreak.

He specifically addressed the handling of the cruise ship that had been sitting off the coast of San Francisco because of cases of the virus on board, and how they decided to bring it to Oakland and take the people to four military bases to be quarantined.

He said he had studied epidemics and written about them many years ago and that the only way to deal with them is absolute prevention of interaction with the main population of the country. ALL travel to and from affected countries is to be stopped dead immediately. The way he would deal with the cruise ship would be to dock it at Oakland as they did, but let absolutely no one leave. He said the ship should be requisitioned by the government as in a state of emergency, which is something they did in WWII I think he said, and turned into a hospital ship. Medical personnel, adequately suited up to protect themselves, should enter the ship to take care of the sick, and hospital gear should be brought in, but nobody should be allowed to leave until there was no more sign of the disease on board. Food of course would also be delivered to the ship.

He said it was an extremely bad decision to move the people to military bases because that means that military people will become infected and the epidemic will spread among them.

So he agreed with Trump's wanting the cruise ship to be completely isolated, and that it should have been enforced until all the sickness was gone. The decision to move people to military bases was made by I think the CDC and is only going to spread the disease first through the military and then through the country.

He mentioned the HIV outbreak in San Francisco a few decades ago and how they kept lagging about closing the bath houses which were a major source of the problem, a political misjudgment. When the bath houses were finally closed the epidemic started to wane, but many died anyway.

I think he's right, there shouldn't be any waffling, ALL ways the virus could get into the country should have been stopped dead in their tracks immediately. Trump acted sooner than many Presidents might have by his travel ban on January 31st, and his opinion that the cruise ship should be quarantined was right. Political waffling is what may allow the virus to spread throughout the country, which was not necessary if strict measures to contain it were followed.

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Message 42 of 143 (873169)
03-10-2020 4:56 PM
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03-10-2020 4:51 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
All of which would be irrelevant if measures had been taken to keep the virus out of the country.

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Message 48 of 143 (873180)
03-10-2020 10:31 PM
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03-10-2020 9:22 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Trump acted sooner than Obamas acted about the HN1 virus, a lot earlier, Thousands had already died by the time Obama got around to it. Trump had a travel ban in place three weeks after we heard about the virus. He's the one who wanted to keep people on the cruise ship from coming into the country, but he was overruled. And he's been working hard talking to the people who are making the test kits and all that. This relentless attack on him is totally unwarranted. He's been an extremely good President in every possible way and this is one of them. He does NOT act for his own interests, he ALWAYS acts for the country. Always. You all just make it up out of whole cloth. He's completely competent in his role.

And I'm sure all the necessary precautions ARE being taken by all the health care people who have the responsibility for them. Trump has also influenced the insurance companies to cover treatment without co-pay. And besides Trump there are many independent people and agencies the country who are working on the problems involved, labs and pharmaceutical companies and the works. Bill Gates is one who is using his billions to fund testing methods or something like that.

Trump is doing his job but this is America and not everything comes down from the top as it does in China and other totalitarian countries. Hey I heard that in North Korea a guy got sick with the virus and Kim solved the problem by killing him.

We have enough trouble with our own Leftists, we don't need to hear from you foreigners. Stay out of it.

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Message 49 of 143 (873181)
03-10-2020 10:50 PM
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Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
I'm glad to hear the military may be able to prevent the spread of the virus among them, if that is what you are saying.

Trump is not *****. Trump is the most transparent President we've ever had. And he is doing everything within his power to prevent the spread of this virus.


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Message 51 of 143 (873183)
03-11-2020 7:40 AM
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03-11-2020 5:57 AM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
I get so sick of how people impute evil motives to Trump for anything he says or does, without the slightest evidence for it. It doesn't matter what he does it will be trashed by the Left and explained in terms of some kind of scurrilous motivation, WITHOUT ANY JUSTIFICATION for such accusations. He's doing his best for the country, that's what his supporters know about him, he is motivated by his love for America in just about everything he does, and if he makes mistakes, well they are mistakes, they are not some kind of nefarious action. I don't know what it will take for people to see the truth about this, maybe the bias against him is so ingrained they never will. What is that bias based on ? I don't think I even know. Something about his style, the way he expresses himself? What? He doesn't deserve a tenth of what is said against him.

He has been trying to calm down the hysteria that has been stirred up by the Left, but when he says things in that effort the Left treats it as his not caring about it, which is false. Doesn't matter what he says, the left will twist it into something negative. I'm just glad that more and more people are seeing through this.

That was from the second video. I have no idea what terrible thing you are trying to prove about Trump by posting the first video but all I get out of it is that he would rather have the people stay on the ship because he is afraid of the disease spreading if they get off, but that he is allowing the CDC to make the decision to take them off, trusting that it will not increase the numbers of sick people in the country. There's something wrong with that?

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Message 53 of 143 (873185)
03-11-2020 7:53 AM
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Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
For pete's sake, what do you think he meant about the "numbers?" All he meant was that he didn't want the numbers of the sick to increase in the country, that's why he preferred that they didn't get off the ship.

And about people going to work, the way I hear it all he was saying was that the disease is very mild in most cases and doesn't require quarantine. He wasn't telling people to go to work he was commenting on the mildness of the cases, and this was in his effort to try to calm people down while the Left was being hysterical and stirring everybody up..

It's as if people on the Left can't stop and think about what' he's saying you're so geared to finding the worst possible construction to put on it. It usually involvdes some preconception about his motives as if you could read his mind. It's totally unwarranted.

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Message 54 of 143 (873186)
03-11-2020 8:11 AM
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Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
A cruise ship is not designed for hospital usage. The air ventilation/AC/heating ducts (HVAC) run from room to room rather than isolated ducts for each room.

I was trying to picture this. They bring air INTO the room from a point of origin don't they? They don't take air OUT of the room and pass it on to the next room do they? But if there is a problem of the virus spreading this way, OK, but then that would only be floor by floor wouldn't it? In other words the hospital could occupy a floor and the vents wouldn't affect anything but what's on that floor, and locations could be chosen according to how bad the effect might be from the vents at any particular distance from the source.

But this is all just academic pondering since they aren't going to use the ship as a hospital anyway.

The walls are constructed with no standard for zero air leakage between them.

OK, then perhaps all this is a reason why moving the people to military bases may have been a better decision but I'm only hearing all this from you, not from any public source.

The argument that base personnel would be infected is spurious, as these are the same people that would be sent on board for any conversion work, for providing food and for providing the medics.

Savage says he had studied epidemioilogy so I doubt he's as stupid as you make him out to be, and you may not be picturing it as he pictured it. I think he had in mind that whoever went on board had to stay on board. The whole point was to keep the virus from spreading outside the ship. I hope you all are right that the quarantine on the bases will be sufficient to prevent its spread among the military.


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Message 56 of 143 (873198)
03-11-2020 10:27 AM
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03-11-2020 9:59 AM


Re: The National Review isn’t impressed
O blithering partisan nonsense. Yes partisan. These must be "never Trumpers." If you compare Trump's actions to Obama's or other Presidents in similar situations Trump comes out better than the rest of them . both when it comes to acting in a timely manner and acting as a leader. Of course no examples are given in the article, it's all just the usual accusation without evidence.

And it sounds like the usual objection to his style more than anything else when they say he speaks in "crude political or personal terms." Oh dear o dear, crude political and personal terms. Isn't what matters WHAT he said and WHAT he proposed and WHY?

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Message 63 of 143 (873221)
03-11-2020 3:32 PM
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Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
All he meant was that he didn't want the numbers of the sick to increase in the country, that's why he preferred that they didn't get off the ship

Yes thats the problem he does not care about the well being of the Americans onboard, he cares how the numbers look.
Because thats all that happaened the number of infected increased by the number infected onboard, they where not allowed to spread the deiese to others.

What? You guys are unbelievable. I can't fathom your thinking process. Trump is concerned to prevent the spread of the disease so he wants to keep it confined to the ship, and somehow you turn that into his not caring about the people on the ship? Only caring about "how the numbers LOOK?" What? You guys make no sense to me, there is something really really messed up abou how you think, at least when it comes to Trump. Trump has a concern to keep the virus from spreading and you turn that into something evil. Amazing.

d about people going to work, the way I hear it all he was saying was that the disease is very mild in most cases and doesn't require quarantine.

Um you do know that there also people that have no symptoms and have the virus. Those have to be quarantined too. Beause just because that peron does not have symptoms it does not mean that the pople he will infect with the virus will have the same luck. What he should have aid or what any sane person would say is: if your feeling flue like symptoms do not go to work, do not go anywhere, and get tested immediately. Even if you as most who get this desiese are experiencing very mild symptoms others might not be so lucky.

But all that is completely irrelevant to what he was sayhing and the context in which he was saying it. He was responding to the hysteria by noting that people would go to work with it because the symptoms are so mild they hardly even know they are sick. The point was only to try to calm down the hysteria that was building. He was not addressing the problem of contagion, he was only talking about the mildness of the disease in the context of the hysteria.

Good grief, give the man a break once in a while. All you have to do is stop and think about why he's saying what he's saying, the context in which he's saying it, and put the brakes on your impulse to criticize criticize criticize that Trump always proviokes in you because you're a Leftist. If you ALSO want to point out that they shouldn't be going to work at all, fine, but realize please that that is another subject that Trump is not addressing with his comments. Sheesh. I'm glad he's got a tough hide. Most people couldn't put up with this endless abuse for half a second.

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