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Author Topic:   Covid-19 and religion.
frako
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Message 61 of 131 (873219)
03-11-2020 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Faith
03-11-2020 7:53 AM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
All he meant was that he didn't want the numbers of the sick to increase in the country, that's why he preferred that they didn't get off the ship

Yes thats the problem he does not care about the well being of the Americans onboard, he cares how the numbers look.

Because thats all that happaened the number of infected increased by the number infected onboard, they where not allowed to spread the deiese to others.

d about people going to work, the way I hear it all he was saying was that the disease is very mild in most cases and doesn't require quarantine.

Um you do know that there also people that have no symptoms and have the virus. Those have to be quarantined too. Beause just because that peron does not have symptoms it does not mean that the pople he will infect with the virus will have the same luck. What he should have aid or what any sane person would say is: if your feeling flue like symptoms do not go to work, do not go anywhere, and get tested immediately. Even if you as most who get this desiese are experiencing very mild symptoms others might not be so lucky.


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Message 62 of 131 (873220)
03-11-2020 3:15 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by frako
03-11-2020 2:53 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
"Doc, it's only a scratch
And I'll be better, I'll be better, Doc, as soon as I am able"

So when a young person has a mild case of covid-19 and goes about daily life and infects lost of older folk ...


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Faith
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Message 63 of 131 (873221)
03-11-2020 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by frako
03-11-2020 2:53 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
All he meant was that he didn't want the numbers of the sick to increase in the country, that's why he preferred that they didn't get off the ship

Yes thats the problem he does not care about the well being of the Americans onboard, he cares how the numbers look.
Because thats all that happaened the number of infected increased by the number infected onboard, they where not allowed to spread the deiese to others.

What? You guys are unbelievable. I can't fathom your thinking process. Trump is concerned to prevent the spread of the disease so he wants to keep it confined to the ship, and somehow you turn that into his not caring about the people on the ship? Only caring about "how the numbers LOOK?" What? You guys make no sense to me, there is something really really messed up abou how you think, at least when it comes to Trump. Trump has a concern to keep the virus from spreading and you turn that into something evil. Amazing.

d about people going to work, the way I hear it all he was saying was that the disease is very mild in most cases and doesn't require quarantine.

Um you do know that there also people that have no symptoms and have the virus. Those have to be quarantined too. Beause just because that peron does not have symptoms it does not mean that the pople he will infect with the virus will have the same luck. What he should have aid or what any sane person would say is: if your feeling flue like symptoms do not go to work, do not go anywhere, and get tested immediately. Even if you as most who get this desiese are experiencing very mild symptoms others might not be so lucky.

But all that is completely irrelevant to what he was sayhing and the context in which he was saying it. He was responding to the hysteria by noting that people would go to work with it because the symptoms are so mild they hardly even know they are sick. The point was only to try to calm down the hysteria that was building. He was not addressing the problem of contagion, he was only talking about the mildness of the disease in the context of the hysteria.

Good grief, give the man a break once in a while. All you have to do is stop and think about why he's saying what he's saying, the context in which he's saying it, and put the brakes on your impulse to criticize criticize criticize that Trump always proviokes in you because you're a Leftist. If you ALSO want to point out that they shouldn't be going to work at all, fine, but realize please that that is another subject that Trump is not addressing with his comments. Sheesh. I'm glad he's got a tough hide. Most people couldn't put up with this endless abuse for half a second.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 64 of 131 (873222)
03-11-2020 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Faith
03-11-2020 3:32 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Faith writes:

Trump is concerned to prevent the spread of the disease so he wants to keep it confined to the ship, and somehow you turn that into his not caring about the people on the ship?


It's one of those relative morality things. Do you let hundreds on the ship die to save thousands on land? But there's the added complication that you can also save most of the ones on the ship by getting them the hell off the ship.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Faith
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Message 65 of 131 (873223)
03-11-2020 3:47 PM
Reply to: Message 64 by ringo
03-11-2020 3:36 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
What YOU think misses the point. What HE had in mind was only CONFINING THE DISEASE TO PREVENT ITS SPREAD. THAT'S WHAT A QUARANTINE IS, THAT'S WHAT IS NORMALLY DONE WITH INFECTIOOUS DISEASES. You are all changing the subject and making him responsible for YOUR thoughts. Good grief. His motivations were the best, to keep the disease from spreading. If there are better solutions, fine, tell him and he'll follow them as he did when the CDC thought it best to move the people to military bases. Sheesh. This constant vilifying of Trump when he's actually doing good things, is SICK SICK SICK, it's INSANE.

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ringo
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Message 66 of 131 (873225)
03-11-2020 3:57 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
03-11-2020 3:47 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Faith writes:

What HE had in mind...


Oh, come off it. Stop pretending you know what he had in mind. Even he doesn't know what he's going to think from one minute to the next.

Faith writes:

... CONFINING THE DISEASE TO PREVENT ITS SPREAD.


Which condemns the people confined to the ship.

Faith writes:

THAT'S WHAT A QUARANTINE IS, THAT'S WHAT IS NORMALLY DONE WITH INFECTIOOUS DISEASES.


No, people are not normally quarantined in an environment where everybody is likely to become infected.

Faith writes:

His motivations were the best...


You don't know his motivations.

Faith writes:

This constant vilifying of Trump....


I'm not villifying Trump.

I'm pointing out that his "plan" is not a good one. The planning should be left to people who know what they're doing.


"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Faith
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Message 67 of 131 (873227)
03-11-2020 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by ringo
03-11-2020 3:57 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
What he had in mind is what any normal person would have in mind who said what he said. It takes a twisted hatred for Trump to impute anything else to what he said.

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ringo
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Message 68 of 131 (873232)
03-11-2020 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
03-11-2020 4:00 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Faith writes:

What he had in mind is what any normal person would have in mind who said what he said.


On the contrary, any normal person would recognize that keeping people bottled up in an incubator of disease is a bad idea. That's why other nations - e.g. Canada - have been working to get the people OFF the cruise ships and bring them home.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Faith
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Message 69 of 131 (873233)
03-11-2020 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by ringo
03-11-2020 4:16 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Please stay with the subject. I'm talking about what he actually said and how any normal person who said that would have meant that he wanted to prevent the spread of the virus. As I already said, if you want to bring up better solutions then fine, BUT THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SUBJECT. Making Trump responsible for YOUR thoughts is unfair.

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ringo
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Message 70 of 131 (873237)
03-11-2020 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
03-11-2020 4:37 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
Faith writes:

I'm talking about what he actually said and how any normal person who said that would have meant that he wanted to prevent the spread of the virus.


But any normal person can see that that isn't the whole story. You can't just throw the cruise ship passengers under the bus.

Faith writes:

As I already said, if you want to bring up better solutions then fine, BUT THEY ARE A DIFFERENT SUBJECT.


For days the Canadian news has been nothing but plans to get the people off the ships. Trump has no excuse for not knowing about the better solutions. I don't see how that's a different subject.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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frako
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Message 71 of 131 (873243)
03-11-2020 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by Faith
03-11-2020 3:47 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
What HE had in mind was only CONFINING THE DISEASE TO PREVENT ITS SPREAD.

If that is so why dint he want to confine everyone on air force one when they where transporting a corona virus patient? Could it be that because he was on that flight? or that the majority was probably not infected like on the cruise ship?


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Heathen
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Message 72 of 131 (873247)
03-12-2020 3:42 AM


Time to break out the big guns

  
PaulK
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Message 73 of 131 (873248)
03-12-2020 4:45 AM
Reply to: Message 69 by Faith
03-11-2020 4:37 PM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
quote:
Please stay with the subject. I'm talking about what he actually said...

No, you aren’t.

quote:
... and how any normal person who said that would have meant that he wanted to prevent the spread of the virus

That is definitely not true. As is perfectly obvious if we look at what he said:

"I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault,"

(Business Insider)

So obviously he is concerned about the numbers, and who gets the blame for them. So, his main concern is adding the ship’s passengers to the US totals. Because it isn’t his administration’s fault that the infection got on the ship.


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AlexCaledin
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Message 74 of 131 (873249)
03-12-2020 7:26 AM


Italy is closing the churches to stop the virus . . . well, they'll see how it helps.

  
Faith
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Message 75 of 131 (873254)
03-12-2020 8:23 AM
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03-12-2020 4:45 AM


Re: Inadequate containment of the virus
yes he likes the numbers where they are and doesn't want to see them doubled. If we make the mistake we'll have to take the consequences but we should be able to prevent doubling the cases that were someone else's fault.

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