Keep hearing about the Swine Flu epidemic that hit from 2009-10. I don't remember any hubbub about it at the time, but 60 million Americans got it, 500 million worldwide, I think it was 17 thousand Americans died of it. There was a vaccine but with numbers like that what good did it do?
Anyway we've got this big hubbub about Covid-19 now. Gosh, could it be because it's an opportunity to bash Trump even though he's doing a great job of dealing with it? of course it is. Not that I mind everybody taking extreme care to keep the numbers down. Good idea it seems to me.
Anyway we've got this big hubbub about Covid-19 now. Gosh, could it be because it's an opportunity to bash Trump even though he's doing a great job of dealing with it?
You need to step back and gain some perspective.
quote:As Italy battles Europe's worst outbreak, and with the virus spreading fast, doctors are making comparisons to war-time triage medics deciding who lives, who dies and who gets access to the limited number of intensive unit beds.
Dr Macchini spoke candidly of the enormous pressure facing frontline staff in his country - which has reported a total of 463 virus-related deaths and more than 9,000 confirmed cases in just over two weeks. . . .
Another doctor from Bergamo, anaesthesiologist Christian Salaroli, told Italian newspaper Corriere della Sera that doctors are now forced to choose who to treat on the basis of the patients' chances of survival.
"We can't attempt miracles. It's the reality," he said.
If we do nothing, this is what is going to happen in the US. Our health care system will be overwhelmed with critical patients, and the death rate will increase around 5 fold due to the simple fact that people can't be treated fast enough. When was the last time you heard of a flu season like that?
No one should be surprised that a pandemic happened; it was predictable and in fact inevitable. Only willful delusion or criminal negligence can account for the issues existing in the US. It is just like our failing infrastructure, piss poor health care system, abysmal life expectancy, total unpreparedness for extreme fires, floods, rising sea levels, crop failures and soon to come major water shortages.
All of these things were obvious to anyone who had any connect to reality and a surprise to only those who are willfully delusional for at least the last half century.
We have the world we wanted and will suffer because that is what we chose.
Keep hearing about the Swine Flu epidemic that hit from 2009-10. I don't remember any hubbub about it at the time, but 60 million Americans got it, 500 million worldwide, I think it was 17 thousand Americans died of it. There was a vaccine but with numbers like that what good did it do?
I remember that one. I was in the hospital with some emergency surgery. As I walked up and down the hall as per recovery instructions, I walked past a few rooms quarantined off with H1N1.
That one was dealt with swiftly with proper resources and so didn't do that much damage.
Anyway we've got this big hubbub about Covid-19 now. Gosh, could it be because it's an opportunity to bash Trump even though he's doing a great job of dealing with it?
Not that I mind everybody taking extreme care to keep the numbers down. Good idea it seems to me.
Well, that all depends on how you keep the numbers down, doesn't it?
If you keep the numbers down by dealing effectively and proactively to identify, contain, and mitigate the spread and effects of the virus, then that would be a good thing.
However, if you keep the numbers down by suppressing the truth and lying to the public about what's happening, then the virus will spread like wild-fire. That would be a bad thing. Like it was in China and Iran where they hid the fact that there was a problem. And like Trump wants to do.
Despite Donnie Jr's malicious lies that Democrats want Americans to die just to discredit Trump, nobody wants anyone to die (except Republicans seem determined to kill off the poor). Rather, we are afraid that Trump will screw the pooch royally and cause far too many unnecessary deaths. Which he is on his way of doing.
We had a functioning CDC. Trump cut their funding and is continuing to cut their funding.
We had a pandemic rapid-response team ready to respond effectively to a new threat. Trump got rid of it, because -- Obama. Obama had created it, so Trump had to destroy it to protect his fragile ego which he can only do by destroying all the good that the Black President had done.
Part of our pandemic defense was a team/agent in China monitoring possible new viral threats. Trump eliminated his position and thus eliminated any early warning that would give us valuable time to prepare and respond, which we now do not have.
Either CDC or NHI had a team already researching corona virii (many are already known). They were also working on a vaccine against all corona virii. Almost as soon as Trump came to office, he eliminated that team and its research. Now a coronavirus vaccine is more than a year out during which time how many will die? Unnecessary? Just because of Trump?
The World Health Organization (WHO) had a test for the virus. All the countries got it except for the USA. Trump refused it, wanting to use a CDC test (which they didn't even know at that moment that they were supposed to be working on it). Why? Nobody knows. Could it be because Trump was still angry at the UN for everybody in the General Assembly laughing at him when he made a complete fool of himself before (almost literally) the entire world?
Well, now we have lost several extremely valuable weeks waiting for widespread testing. South Korea already went for widespread testing and has made very good progress in containing and mitigating the disease. We still have no idea of the extent of the problem in the USA.
Trump's only concerns are that the stock market will tank, which it is doing, and how that would affect his re-election (which he desperately needs to stay out of jail). A caller on radio talked about living in a Red State and how at the local bar everybody would loudly praise Trump and how well their 401(k) was doing. Now, all you hear are crickets. There is a hope that now the Trump supporters will start to wake up.
Trump does not care about the health of the people. He is still trying to get rid of the Affordable Care Act (ACA) in order to deprive millions of Americans of healthcare -- not a good thing in a healthcare crisis. He is still trying to take food out of the mouths of children with his food stamps cuts -- which is a definite issue for the working poor who get symptoms but have to still go in to work or else they will starve and get evicted.
Trump's "plan" is just an opportunistic grab. He wants a "payroll tax cut" to solve this coronavirus problem. That is to say he wants to cut out FICA, which is what funds Social Security and Medicare (Part A). So for the elderly who will need all the medical coverage they can get in this crisis, he wants to pull the rug out from under them.
An on-going problem with Trump's handling of this crisis is that he will get up in front of the camera and give false information and suggestions that either completely contradict what the experts had just said or else the experts have to follow him and try to undo the damage that he had just done.
The coup de grce was Trump's Oval Office address last night (Wed, 11 Mar 20). He made one claim after the other from a prepared, tele-prompted speech (otherwise it would have been a stream-of-unconsciousness rambling like we always get when he's on his own). Then immediately, the White House had to scramble to restate almost everything he had just said.
Chris Hayes of MSNBC covered it far better than I could:
Chris Hayes tonight -- "The Failure Of Coronavirus Comes From The Top" --:
Faith, listen to the testimony of Dr. Fauci, MD, an actual expert in these matters. He works for Trump.
The only thing more spectacular about our lack of response to the corona virus is that we have been, by far and with no peers, the worst responder to this emergency in all the world.
WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!
Keep hearing about the Swine Flu epidemic that hit from 2009-10. I don't remember any hubbub about it at the time, but 60 million Americans got it, 500 million worldwide, I think it was 17 thousand Americans died of it.
I'm assuming this is some kind of script on US right wing radio right now? I keep hearing people say the same thing on the internet now. But the hubbub over the swine flu epidemic was huge. Afterwards there was a lot of soul searching over why the overreaction.
If the hubbub over the swine flu was so huge it's funny I don't remember it. A thousand people had died before Obama did anything about it, and 18,000 by the time it was over. 60 million were infected. Some hubbub might have been in order under those circumstances. But here we've got, what, 40 deaths, FORTY, and the whole nation is shut down. Less than two thousand infected? And the whole nation is shut down? I'm not a follower of sports but I understand that it is a huge big deal to shut down all the baseball games at this time of year. COME ON.
I just heard about a biologist at MIT who tweeted that this will go down as the biggest political scam to bring down the nation. Indian name, Shiva A.....doori or something. I'll see if I can find him.
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad to see protections being put in place, especially since I'm in the most vulnerable age group, but there is such a thing as overkill, and I'm holed up in my apartment anyway.
But here we've got, what, 40 deaths, FORTY, and the whole nation is shut down. Less than two thousand infected?
It doesn't do much good to close the barn door after the cows have gotten out. I suppose that you think safe sex is putting a condom on after the act?
Don't get me wrong. I'm glad to see protections being put in place, especially since I'm in the most vulnerable age group, but there is such a thing as overkill, and I'm holed up in my apartment anyway.
How would you stop person to person spread of the virus?
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But here we've got, what, 40 deaths, FORTY, and the whole nation is shut down
so you'd rather have more people die before measures are taken?
Less than two thousand infected?
you can't really trust that number given the lack of testing. South Korea is testing 11000 people per day. The US hasn't tested 11000 people in total.
edit: it appears the US tested ~16500 people
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.
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