Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that

For pete's sake Aussie, you don't believe but I do. God made us ALL, He knows what He's doing, He knows why children are included in his judgments, I don't and yes I consider it unfortunate, I consider it sad that any of us have to die. Your accusations of me as if I don't care are out of bounds. I cry all the time about sad stories of people being hurt and dying, none of this is about me, I simply accept that God is God and that He is right in all His judgments, which I cannot understand myself. I pray all the time for His help, including His help in this pandemic, and I believe He hears prayer. You are way out of bounds to assume I LIKE God's judgments. I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

It'a all about the Moral Law, Aussie. We were all born into this universe that is governed by this law. We can't make it go away, it constantly judges us to a very fine degree. We are all in violation of thie law and that is why we suffer and die. But God HAD MERCY ON US in our inescapable plight and God the Son became human to save us from it by taking the punishment DESERVED BY ALL OF US in our place. All this is about how the universe into which we were all born is run. I guess you could ask God to put you somewhere outside this universe but there's no getting around how this one is run.AbE: I still like the concept of karma as an example of how a pagan culture intuits this inexorable law, but there are other cultures that also recognize this force in the universe we live in. The Bible, however, gives us the most accurate understanding of it because it's authored by the God who made us.AbE 2: Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Fulfilling it means taking its consequences. He didn't deserve those consequences, He took them for us.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

OK, Abraham does seem to suggest that God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah could be wrong by saying He should do right. But it's just a way of speaking for the sake of explaining something about how God works to the puny little minds of the human race. You take too much of the Bible too literally.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I believe the Bible needs to be understood in its own context.But in this case I'll give you that Abraham seems to be telling God He would be wrong to completely annihilate the whole population of Sodom and Gomorrah and not save the righteous among them.I think this teaches that God does make such distinctions, so that if He wipes out a whole tribe He's right to do that.However, I also think we should be praying for God to spare us the worst of this pandemic.

Yes I agree we've been given provisions for dealing with the pandemic and we should thank God for them instead of taking them for granted. And we should also be praying, because it's pretty bad as it is and it could get a lot worse very fast.

So glad you don't think I'm a psychopath. But since this conversation got derailed by something not so pertinent, I want to repeat this: I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.So what you keep accusing me of is false. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

By telling me I "support" what you clearly consider to be totally irrational killing of people by God you ARE accusing me personally of sharing in that point of view. I'm saying I don't. God's judgments are scary, they hurt, there is no way to LIKE them or enjoy them. All I'm "supporting" I is my conviction that God is God and what3ever He does HAS to be right though I am not in a position to understand it. I can't LIKE it. Sometimes I see it coming and I cringe. But where are you getting this idea that it's OTHER RELIGIONS that He judges? It's those who have the great privilege of knowing the truth through His revelations who are in line to be hardest hit, the western nations, America. Listen to all the debunkery here, yours, so many others, horrible things said against God and it makes me cringe because I know eventually it's going to bring heavy heavy judgment on it.And that judgment looks like it's beginning. Europe is getting it pretty hard and here we are all hunkered down because of this virus which hasn't really hit us yet but the economic effects are already massive. How can I LIKE this or even "support" it? Read the old Prophets when God judged Israel. Jeremiah cried and cried for Israel but he didn't say God was wrong. We can't judge God, He mde it all, He knows what He's doing, we can pray, ask Him for mercy, ask Him what we should do, but otherwise all we can do is watch it happen and cry.\\AbE I keep wanting to remind you all that it isn't just the bible that reveals these things, the Bible is certainly the clearest and most accurate, but other cultures, at least in earlier times, affirmed a version of the Moral Law that punishes individials who transgress moral standards. I don't know if any have a view of whole nations being punished, maybe it's just individuals, but the idea is there, such as in the idea of Karma. We live in a spiritual soup as it were, that affects and is affected by our spiritual moral thoughts and behaviors. Although the Bible talks about God's doing this and that it's also possible just to regard it as the inexorable operation of this impersonal Moral Law that permeates everything. We are moral creatures, it HAS to judge us. The Bible reveals the standards and the nature of the judgments. "The eages pf som os deatj
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My eyes are suddenly getting really bad. .The Bible is a revelation of the standards of the moral law. "The wates of sin is death" is how it works. Death includes every kind of pain and suffering but ultimately literal death. Since death is the consewunces that is why Jesus had to die for us. HIS death took the place of the death we deserve. We still literally die but that's the end of death and suffering because of what He did for us. He fulfilled the Law of God, That's what the Bible says. He took it ALL into Himself. He could do that because He is God AND man and as man absolutely sinless. No one with sin could die in our place because sin deserves death. Only a sinless man who did not deserve it could CHOOSE to die for us. Yet this glorious truth is ridiculoed here.

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I just spilled a big cup of coffee with cream in it all over the carpet.

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I accept everything God does as right, I don't "support" it, I accept it even when I cry over it and ask Him to have mercy on us. He's God, I'm not, we're npt.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Yes He may be judging me for something.I had to make a fresh pot of coffee and start all over. I put down layers of paper towels which are soaking up the spilled coffee. I'll have spray it with carpet clearer later. No matter what I do it will leave a stain, but probably not very visible because it's one of those tough fiber things of a dark color that's almost impossible to describe. Brown? Blue? Gray? Green? All of the above?Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

He's God, you're not, and someday you are going to answer to Him for such evil comments as that.

Don't ask me to judge the particular instances of what God does. It's enough for me to say that everything He does is right, I'm not going to get into making a judgment about every act of God's. Yes, every act of God's is right, you aren't going to get me to say anything more specific than that, and the only reason you want to is so you can pin something on me that is misleading when put that way.

God does not love everybody. People who refuse to listen to Him and never repent of it, the incorrigible wicked. God does hate some people.

An interesting thing about the spiritual world is that size has nothing to do with spiritual effect.

Nice essay. Most of it one would have to agree with. But no mention of a higher life? It doesn't necessarily make the people look different but there is an inner experience that many of us have that keeps us from going the direction you went. There is an inner peace "that passes understanding." It doesn't show on the outside. In my case the supernatural has at times been overwhelming, though mostly in the early years. Nevertheless I remain me, and I've fallen pretty far from those early days in many respects and sometimes fear that God might abandon me. But I'm so grateful wnen even after falling into sin I discover He's still there. You fasted for days, you lived the life, but why didn't the supernatural presence of God Himself take hold of you? Once you have that giving it up would be impossible I would think.I could choose to go to Hell under some circumstances but that wouldn't cause me to change anything about my knowledge of the supernatural life in God.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

I am not "publicly defending the killing of infants and children" etc etc, I am defending only God being God, and if I let you define the terms as you are trying to do that point will be lost and you will have succeeded in pinning something on me that is not about me.AbE: The rest of your post is incomprehensible blather, I don't know what you are talking about. But it's alienating enough that I think I should just try to ignore it.Edited by Faith, : No reason given.