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Author Topic:   Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that
Chiroptera
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Message 61 of 150 (873541)
03-16-2020 6:42 PM
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03-16-2020 5:43 PM


Remember the movie Trading Places? At the beginning, when the two old guys who own the company have a disagreement about whether personality traits are learned or innate? So they make a bet on it and proceed to destroy Dan Ackroyd's life so they can replace him with Eddie Murphy?

Job is kinda like that.


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Message 62 of 150 (873542)
03-16-2020 8:55 PM
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03-16-2020 2:23 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Isn't it weird that you are constantly defending killing people, Faith? The atheists are defending life while you are just Death's cheerleader on this forum. You personally have defended the killing of the unborn and children to me on this very forum on multiple occasions. I'm thinking specifically about the Flood and Jericho. I would truly love to hear you defending life on occasion.

I'm "constantly defending killing people?" Wow.

God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn. That was the reason for the Flood and Jericho. We are delegrated to execute criminals as judgment, but abortion is killing the innocent. So is every kind of murder yet so many here can't seem to tell the difference between judgment and murder.

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Message 63 of 150 (873555)
03-17-2020 8:43 AM
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03-16-2020 8:55 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Faith writes:
I'm "constantly defending killing people?" Wow.

Yes, Faith. Yes you are. Including throughout this very topic and including in the very next words you wrote:

God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn.

So you relegate the slaughter of the unborn and innocent children to being "unfortunate"?
Is God somehow unable to manage to kill the adults without also killing the kids? He's somehow unable to be happy killing only the actual bad guys, he has to take out their wives and the children, and their extended families and...well... let's just kill everything and everyone. Even their family pets. I mean, this is a level of violence to make the Medellin Cartel or Game of Thrones blush and cover it's eyes in shame.

Did God kill the uncounted unborn on purpose or not? Was that a good thing or not? You are consistently Death's Cheerleader when it comes to your bloodthirsty tyrant.

I'm "constantly defending killing people?" Wow.

Cue you immediately defending killing children:

God kills as justice/judgment, which unfortunately includes children and the unborn.

Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.


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Message 64 of 150 (873556)
03-17-2020 8:50 AM
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03-17-2020 8:43 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
But remember there is no example of God killing the UnDead!

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Message 65 of 150 (873557)
03-17-2020 9:05 AM
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03-17-2020 8:50 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
But remember there is no example of God killing the UnDead!

No, but now cue Faith's defense of torturing the Undead after He kills them all.


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Message 66 of 150 (873562)
03-17-2020 9:42 AM
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03-17-2020 8:43 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
The alacrity with which so many here speak evil against God makes me shudder. You can be an atheist without hating God and finding fault with His judgments. All I'm doing is believing God, the God of the Bible, who certainly does kill people in judgment, including babies and the unborn. Being a believer, knowing that He's God and I'm not, knowing that God is good and cannot sin, I know that whether I understand it or not, and of course I don't, His judgments are good.

"Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" says the Bible. That is a way of saying we need to have a healthy respect for the fact that God does punish sin, and that means our personal sins as well as the sins of nations. When He kills whole nations/tribes it is certainly judgment for their sins. Jesus also said we should not fear the one who can only kill our bodies, who is Satan, but we should fear the one who can also kill our souls or throw us into eternal punishment or something like that, I forget the exact quote, and that's God.

I keep thinking lately that the most effective way to deal with this pandemic would be if great numbers of us saw ourselves as sinners and repented before God and asked Him to give us a solution to this problem. But as it is I even have to hesitate when I personally talk to God in this way because I know so many people speak so abusively about Him I don't see why He would want to be merciful to us about anything. The Israelites who wanted a golden calf to worship instead of the one true God Moses was talking to on Mount Sinai were just confused about God's nature, but today people aren't just confused, and it isn't even that so many merely don't believe, there is an active self-righteous hatred of God, the gall to judge Him instead of letting Him judge us, which is His prerogative. There is no sense at all of the rightness of the "fear and trembling" scripture says is the appropriate attitude toward the omnipotent God.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

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Message 67 of 150 (873563)
03-17-2020 9:45 AM
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03-17-2020 9:05 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
But Stakes and garlic are Kosher.

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Message 68 of 150 (873564)
03-17-2020 9:58 AM
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03-17-2020 9:42 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
I keep thinking lately that the most effective way to deal with this pandemic would be if great numbers of us saw ourselves as sinners and repented before God and asked Him to give us a solution to this problem.

Go ahead all of you get together, lay you hands on each other to heal each other. Lets see what happens. Ill be waiting with a Darwin award.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 69 of 150 (873565)
03-17-2020 10:01 AM
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03-17-2020 9:42 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Hi Faith

The alacrity with which so many here speak evil against God makes me shudder.

The alacrity with which you defend the killing of the unborn and small children makes me shudder, so we are even on that count.

I know that whether I understand it or not, and of course I don't, His judgments are good.

Of course you don't understand it. It's bloody barbarism in its most vicious incarnation. The killing of babies is a monstrous evil to take the breath away. We atheists will repudiate the deliberate killing of children and babies to the end of time, and we repudiate every brain that contemplates this killing and calls it "good." Like you do.

Jesus also said we should not fear the one who can only kill our bodies, who is Satan, but we should fear the one who can also kill our souls, and that's God.

Ahhh yes...you defending the torture of the Undead as Jar joked about and I cued 15 minutes ago...

I keep thinking lately that the most effective way to deal with this pandemic would be if great numbers of us saw ourselves as sinners and repented before God and asked Him to give us a solution to this problem.

It's widely recognized that the solution doesn't require magic. Just stay away from large groups and everybody wash their hands and try to sanitize surfaces. The virus doesn't need magic to die. You are in the particularly vulnerable demographic Faith... please be careful and stay safe!

The Israelites who wanted a golden calf to worship instead of the one true God Moses was talking to on Mount Sinai were just confused about God's nature, but today people aren't just confused, and it isn't even that so many merely don't believe, there is an active self-righteous hatred of God, the gall to judge Him instead of letting Him judge us, which is His prerogative.

Just a gentle reminder that God's response to the golden calf incident was the slaughter of 3, 000 people!!!! It's a death cult with you guys, enough to make the Incan Emperors blush in the night.

Justice should not be confused with genocide...


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Message 70 of 150 (873567)
03-17-2020 11:01 AM
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03-17-2020 10:01 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Just a gentle reminder that God's response to the golden calf incident was the slaughter of 3, 000 people!!!!

"The wages of sin is death," Aussie. I didn't make that up. And of course if God wiped out so many of His own people for their false worship, I worry that He's not going to tolerate much more of this evilspeaking against Him so many do these days. Even this pandemic is God's judgment you know, nothing happens without Him. His Moral Law contines to operate. "The windmills of the Lord grind very fine." Nevertheless in His mercy He gives us ways to deal with it. We should be grateful. Wish you were.

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Message 71 of 150 (873569)
03-17-2020 11:09 AM
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03-17-2020 8:43 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Is God somehow unable to manage to kill the adults without also killing the kids? He's somehow unable to be happy killing only the actual bad guys, he has to take out their wives and the children, and their extended families and...well... let's just kill everything and everyone.

God's collateral damage.

God isn't as interested in laser-guided munitions designed to kill and only kill the intended target as he is carpet bombing villages indiscriminately.

"Look, if you wanna omelette you're gonna have to crack a few eggs, amirite?" -- The Lord of Hosts


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Faith
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Message 72 of 150 (873570)
03-17-2020 11:09 AM
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03-17-2020 10:01 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Of course you don't understand it. It's bloody barbarism in its most vicious incarnation. The killing of babies is a monstrous evil to take the breath away. We atheists will repudiate the deliberate killing of children and babies to the end of time, and we repudiate every brain that contemplates this killing and calls it "good." Like you do.

Funny then that so many atheists are all in favor of killing the unborn and lately some are even willing to kill the baby just after it is born.

And you know, the way God kills is imputed by atheists to normal events, to all sorts of natural things like hurricanes and earthquakes and diseases and pandemics. What we get from the Bible is the knowledge that there is a Moral Law in operation that brings these things about. It should be regarded as information we can make use of to control such things. Prayer, repentance, avoiding sin etc. Even some pagan relgions recognize the operation of a Moral Law that governs our lives, karma for instance. Yet instead of regarding this as helpful information through the mercy of God you hate Him. Amazing.

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Message 73 of 150 (873571)
03-17-2020 11:13 AM
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03-17-2020 11:09 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
What we get from the Bible is that the God the authors created was as evil and barbaric as the writers.

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Message 74 of 150 (873572)
03-17-2020 11:16 AM
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03-17-2020 11:01 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
And of course if God wiped out so many of His own people for their false worship, I worry that He's not going to tolerate much more of this evilspeaking against Him so many do these days. Even this pandemic is God's judgment you know, nothing happens without Him. His Moral Law continues to operate. "The windmills of the Lord grind very fine."

Thanks, I'll pass on your ISIS morality, Faith. I shudder remembering I used to think just like you before my deliverance.

Again, please stay safe. I assume you will use modern science in addition to magic to remain healthy. The last comment was tongue-in-cheek, but my desire for you to remain healthy and strong is not.


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Message 75 of 150 (873573)
03-17-2020 11:16 AM
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03-17-2020 10:01 AM


Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
No it's not "collateral damage" that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God. Either it is right for reasons we can't understand since children aren't innocent of the Fall either, or maybe it's just that killing the adults and leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.

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