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Author Topic:   Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that
Faith
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Message 76 of 150 (873575)
03-17-2020 11:17 AM
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03-17-2020 11:16 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
There is no comparison with ISIS. Killing by humans for the evil reasons given by terrorists is murder. You can't compare God with human sin.

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jar
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Message 77 of 150 (873576)
03-17-2020 11:18 AM
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03-17-2020 11:17 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Faith writes:

You can't compare God with human sin.

Abraham did. Have you ever really read the Bible faith?


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Aussie
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Message 78 of 150 (873577)
03-17-2020 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:16 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
No it's not "collateral damage" that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God. Either it is right for reasons we can't understand since children aren't innocent of the Fall either, or maybe it's just that killing the adults and leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.

Faith! You do realize you are again defending the killing of children?

Are you able to turn that off?

leaving the children alive would be even worse for them than killing them.

*shudder*


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Faith
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Message 79 of 150 (873578)
03-17-2020 11:20 AM
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03-17-2020 11:18 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Prove it.

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Faith
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Message 80 of 150 (873579)
03-17-2020 11:22 AM
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03-17-2020 11:20 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
Be careful Aussie. I'm defending God and you are blaspheming Him.

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Message 81 of 150 (873580)
03-17-2020 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:09 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Nobody advocates killing babies just after they are born.

NOBODY!

But you and your disgusting ilk love to spread such evil calumnies.


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Aussie
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Message 82 of 150 (873581)
03-17-2020 11:26 AM
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03-17-2020 11:17 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
There is no comparison with ISIS. Killing by humans for the evil reasons given by terrorists is murder. You can't compare God with human sin.

Yes I can, it's easy. I'll compare ISIS in Syria and Israel in Canaan any day. Both were religious genocides. In your defense though, only one of these barbarisms is historical. But your brain can't help but Cheerlead your favorite genocide.


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Message 83 of 150 (873582)
03-17-2020 11:26 AM
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03-17-2020 9:42 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
All I'm doing is believing God, the God of the Bible, who certainly does kill people in judgment, including babies and the unborn.

I think what he is attempting to elucidate is what possible retributive "judgment" could infants and the unborn pose?

Being a believer, knowing that He's God and I'm not, knowing that God is good and cannot sin, I know that whether I understand it or not, and of course I don't, His judgments are good.

Uh-huh, and that kind of blissful ignorance is precisely the same mentality that ISIS has as they're sawing off your head. This is Allah's retributive judgment and who are you question God's will? That's what you're failing to see over and over and over again and somehow not make the connection back to yourself. Its remarkable and stultifying to watch.

I keep thinking lately that the most effective way to deal with this pandemic would be if great numbers of us saw ourselves as sinners and repented before God and asked Him to give us a solution to this problem. But as it is I even have to hesitate when I personally talk to God in this way because I know so many people speak so abusively about Him I don't see why He would want to be merciful to us about anything. The Israelites who wanted a golden calf to worship instead of the one true God Moses was talking to on Mount Sinai were just confused about God's nature, but today people aren't just confused, and it isn't even that so many merely don't believe, there is an active self-righteous hatred of God, the gall to judge Him instead of letting Him judge us, which is His prerogative. There is no sense at all of the rightness of the "fear and trembling" scripture says is the appropriate attitude toward the omnipotent God.

Maybe you're the one worshipping the Golden Calf by clinging to Bronze Age bullshit. Maybe the one true God is still out there waiting for you to find -- one that doesn't destroy entire nations, one that doesn't send you to eternal and unending misery if you question the veracity of the claim. The sureness of your position extends well past faith and is now in the realm of blindly following cultish behavior.


"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Aussie
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Message 84 of 150 (873583)
03-17-2020 11:29 AM
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03-17-2020 11:22 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
Be careful Aussie. I'm defending God and you are blaspheming Him.

Be careful or what, Faith? What will happen?

Let me guess...more death and torture????

See what I mean? For you, it's all about death and torture. It's all you have.

You are Death's Cheerleader.


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Aussie
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Message 85 of 150 (873585)
03-17-2020 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:16 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
No it's not "collateral damage" that the children die too, it's part of the judgment of God.

So, the killing of children is not "unfortunate" like you said earlier.
You are maintaining that God deliberately seeks out children who are too young to comprehend politics or religious nuance, and kills them. And you are agreeing that this is a good idea, and represents perfect justice.

And you are telling me to be careful?


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Faith
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Message 86 of 150 (873586)
03-17-2020 11:53 AM
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03-17-2020 11:38 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
For pete's sake Aussie, you don't believe but I do. God made us ALL, He knows what He's doing, He knows why children are included in his judgments, I don't and yes I consider it unfortunate, I consider it sad that any of us have to die. Your accusations of me as if I don't care are out of bounds. I cry all the time about sad stories of people being hurt and dying, none of this is about me, I simply accept that God is God and that He is right in all His judgments, which I cannot understand myself. I pray all the time for His help, including His help in this pandemic, and I believe He hears prayer. You are way out of bounds to assume I LIKE God's judgments. I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.

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jar
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Message 87 of 150 (873587)
03-17-2020 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 79 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:20 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
LOL

Come on Faith, I've read the Bible.

Genesis 18: writes:

17And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do;
18Seeing that Abraham shall surely become a great and mighty nation, and all the nations of the earth shall be blessed in him?
19For I know him, that he will command his children and his household after him, and they shall keep the way of the Lord, to do justice and judgment; that the Lord may bring upon Abraham that which he hath spoken of him.
20And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
22And the men turned their faces from thence, and went toward Sodom: but Abraham stood yet before the Lord.
23And Abraham drew near, and said, Wilt thou also destroy the righteous with the wicked?
24Peradventure there be fifty righteous within the city: wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that are therein?
25That be far from thee to do after this manner, to slay the righteous with the wicked: and that the righteous should be as the wicked, that be far from thee: Shall not the Judge of all the earth do right?
26And the Lord said, If I find in Sodom fifty righteous within the city, then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
27And Abraham answered and said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord, which am but dust and ashes:
28Peradventure there shall lack five of the fifty righteous: wilt thou destroy all the city for lack of five? And he said, If I find there forty and five, I will not destroy it.
29And he spake unto him yet again, and said, Peradventure there shall be forty found there. And he said, I will not do it for forty's sake.
30And he said unto him, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak: Peradventure there shall thirty be found there. And he said, I will not do it, if I find thirty there.
31And he said, Behold now, I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord: Peradventure there shall be twenty found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
32And he said, Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet but this once: Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
33And the Lord went his way, as soon as he had left communing with Abraham: and Abraham returned unto his place.


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Aussie
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Message 88 of 150 (873589)
03-17-2020 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by Faith
03-17-2020 11:53 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
He knows why children are included in his judgments, I don't and yes I consider it unfortunate, I consider it sad that any of us have to die. Your accusations of me as if I don't care are out of bounds. I cry all the time about sad stories of people being hurt and dying, none of this is about me, I simply accept that God is God and that He is right in all His judgments, which I cannot understand myself.

My working assumption Faith, is that you are not a psychopath. but you are in the thrall of an imaginary Bloodthirsty Tyrant with a thirst for blood that is staggering.

Even His "Forgiveness" required the suffering and torment and agonizing death of an innocent. I'm never surprised when I hear He's gotten around to killing more innocent kids for the unfathomed crimes of other people. It's all par for the course for your chosen deity.


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Faith
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Message 89 of 150 (873593)
03-17-2020 12:20 PM
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03-17-2020 12:03 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
It'a all about the Moral Law, Aussie. We were all born into this universe that is governed by this law. We can't make it go away, it constantly judges us to a very fine degree. We are all in violation of thie law and that is why we suffer and die. But God HAD MERCY ON US in our inescapable plight and God the Son became human to save us from it by taking the punishment DESERVED BY ALL OF US in our place. All this is about how the universe into which we were all born is run. I guess you could ask God to put you somewhere outside this universe but there's no getting around how this one is run.

AbE: I still like the concept of karma as an example of how a pagan culture intuits this inexorable law, but there are other cultures that also recognize this force in the universe we live in. The Bible, however, gives us the most accurate understanding of it because it's authored by the God who made us.

AbE 2: Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Fulfilling it means taking its consequences. He didn't deserve those consequences, He took them for us.

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Faith
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Message 90 of 150 (873597)
03-17-2020 12:39 PM
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03-17-2020 11:56 AM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
OK, Abraham does seem to suggest that God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah could be wrong by saying He should do right. But it's just a way of speaking for the sake of explaining something about how God works to the puny little minds of the human race. You take too much of the Bible too literally.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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