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Author Topic:   Moral issues and the Justice system or something like that
jar
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Message 91 of 171 (873598)
03-17-2020 12:42 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
03-17-2020 12:39 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
I believe the Bible actually says what is written Faith and that the authors believed what they wrote and that the words mean what is written.

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Message 92 of 171 (873600)
03-17-2020 12:45 PM
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03-17-2020 12:42 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
I believe the Bible needs to be understood in its own context.

But in this case I'll give you that Abraham seems to be telling God He would be wrong to completely annihilate the whole population of Sodom and Gomorrah and not save the righteous among them.

I think this teaches that God does make such distinctions, so that if He wipes out a whole tribe He's right to do that.

However, I also think we should be praying for God to spare us the worst of this pandemic.


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Aussie
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Message 93 of 171 (873601)
03-17-2020 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by Faith
03-17-2020 12:39 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
OK, Abraham does seem to suggest that God's judgment of Sodom and Gomorrah could be wrong by saying He should do right. But it's just a way of speaking for the sake of explaining something about how God works to the puny little minds of the human race. You take too much of the Bible too literally.

Yes. Even the literal Word of God must take a backseat to Faith's personal interpretation.

"I know this is what the Bible actually says, but this is it what it should say."

Funny how often you demonstrate you don't actually believe in the Perfect Word.
In your preening arrogance you feel you can state God's word better than He could.

You take too much of the Bible too literally.

Seriously Faith? Seriously?


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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jar
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Message 94 of 171 (873602)
03-17-2020 12:53 PM
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03-17-2020 12:45 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Faith writes:

I think this teaches that God does make such distinctions, so that if He wipes out a whole tribe He's right to do that.

It teaches us that we can make such distinctions and it is up to use to make sure God does as well.

Faith writes:

However, I also think we should be praying for God to spare us the worst of this pandemic.

God gave us all we needed to spare us the worst of the pandemics, this and all future ones. WE chose to throw all that away and instead believe liars and swindlers like il Donaldo who has been a failure at everything but keeping himself wealthy.

Edited by jar, : respond to the utter nonsense of let god do it


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Message 95 of 171 (873603)
03-17-2020 1:03 PM
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03-17-2020 12:53 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Yes I agree we've been given provisions for dealing with the pandemic and we should thank God for them instead of taking them for granted. And we should also be praying, because it's pretty bad as it is and it could get a lot worse very fast.

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Message 96 of 171 (873607)
03-17-2020 2:49 PM
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03-17-2020 11:22 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
Fuck ‘im. And the Holy Spirit he rode in on, too.

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frako
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Message 97 of 171 (873608)
03-17-2020 3:36 PM
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03-17-2020 12:39 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
You take too much of the Bible too literally.

LMAO the irony.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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frako
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Message 98 of 171 (873610)
03-17-2020 3:40 PM
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03-17-2020 1:03 PM


Re: Faith: Death's little cheerleader...
Um a side question, did this virus evolve to attack humans now, or was it always in its genome to attack us it just waited for gods command?

Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 99 of 171 (873625)
03-17-2020 6:40 PM
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03-17-2020 12:03 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
So glad you don't think I'm a psychopath. But since this conversation got derailed by something not so pertinent, I want to repeat this:

I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.

So what you keep accusing me of is false.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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frako
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Message 100 of 171 (873628)
03-17-2020 7:02 PM
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03-17-2020 6:40 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.

Um sure you can. You wouldn't be the first human to like suffering and death nor the last.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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ringo
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Message 101 of 171 (873631)
03-17-2020 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Faith
03-16-2020 1:31 PM


Faith writes:

Of course you don't know how to read so this will fall on deaf ears in your case but perhaps someone else will have ears to hear.


Yeah, right back atcha - only I actually quote the Bible so those people can see what it actually says. You, on the other hand, have nothing to back up the apologetic claims that you have memorized.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Aussie
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Message 102 of 171 (873650)
03-18-2020 9:06 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Faith
03-17-2020 12:20 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
all about the Moral Law, Aussie. We were all born into this universe that is governed by this law. We can't make it go away, it constantly judges us to a very fine degree. We are all in violation of this law and that is why we suffer and die.

Who made this Law in your opinion? Who wrote all these rules and punishments to be meted out in this barbaric fashion? You make it sound like God is simply reacting to the best of His abilities within the limits of these rules, as opposed to being the One who Created the "Moral Law" and is responsible for personally holding all to its standard. Including babies and small children, whom according to you and Scripture, He actively seeks out and kills because someone else broke His rules. An example would be David and Bathsheba's baby, that Scripture explicitly states God killed for his parent's sin. I wish you would stop talking so shrilly about pro-life issues.

AbE 2: Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. Fulfilling it means taking its consequences. He didn't deserve those consequences, He took them for us.

Again, Scripture makes it abundantly clear that God doesn't care so much about punishing the guilty as He cares about torturing and killing the most innocent ones when He gets pissed off about something.

Edited by Aussie, : Grammar


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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Aussie
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Message 103 of 171 (873651)
03-18-2020 9:14 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Faith
03-17-2020 6:40 PM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
So glad you don't think I'm a psychopath. But since this conversation got derailed by something not so pertinent, I want to repeat this:
I'M HUMAN, I CAN'T LIKE SUFFERING AND DEATH.
So what you keep accusing me of is false.

Faith. I'm not accusing you of enjoying suffering and death. I am certainly accusing your favorite deity of such a thing. He openly relishes it without shame.

I am accusing you of of defending the killing of men, women, children, babies, the unborn simply because they hold a different religion than you.

You say you don't like it, and I am rather inclined to take your word for this. But you openly support it at every hand, also publicly and without shame. You have one of the most broken moral compasses I have ever seen. You cheerlead for death.

Edited by Aussie, : No reason given.


"...heck is a small price to pay for the truth"

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frako
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Message 104 of 171 (873652)
03-18-2020 9:46 AM
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03-18-2020 9:06 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
Again, Scripture makes it abundantly clear that God doesn't care so much about punishing the guilty as He cares about torturing and killing the most innocent ones when He gets pissed off about something.

But how else do you expect god to forgive us, i mean there is literally no other option but a blood sacrifice of his son that is also him. I mean cmon do you forgive anyone their trespasses whiteout at least a little blood, no so how could god.


Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand

What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.


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Message 105 of 171 (873656)
03-18-2020 12:04 PM
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03-18-2020 9:14 AM


Re: Kill the Adults and Leave the Children?
By telling me I "support" what you clearly consider to be totally irrational killing of people by God you ARE accusing me personally of sharing in that point of view. I'm saying I don't. God's judgments are scary, they hurt, there is no way to LIKE them or enjoy them. All I'm "supporting" I is my conviction that God is God and what3ever He does HAS to be right though I am not in a position to understand it. I can't LIKE it. Sometimes I see it coming and I cringe. But where are you getting this idea that it's OTHER RELIGIONS that He judges? It's those who have the great privilege of knowing the truth through His revelations who are in line to be hardest hit, the western nations, America. Listen to all the debunkery here, yours, so many others, horrible things said against God and it makes me cringe because I know eventually it's going to bring heavy heavy judgment on it.

And that judgment looks like it's beginning. Europe is getting it pretty hard and here we are all hunkered down because of this virus which hasn't really hit us yet but the economic effects are already massive. How can I LIKE this or even "support" it? Read the old Prophets when God judged Israel. Jeremiah cried and cried for Israel but he didn't say God was wrong. We can't judge God, He mde it all, He knows what He's doing, we can pray, ask Him for mercy, ask Him what we should do, but otherwise all we can do is watch it happen and cry.\\

AbE I keep wanting to remind you all that it isn't just the bible that reveals these things, the Bible is certainly the clearest and most accurate, but other cultures, at least in earlier times, affirmed a version of the Moral Law that punishes individials who transgress moral standards. I don't know if any have a view of whole nations being punished, maybe it's just individuals, but the idea is there, such as in the idea of Karma. We live in a spiritual soup as it were, that affects and is affected by our spiritual moral thoughts and behaviors. Although the Bible talks about God's doing this and that it's also possible just to regard it as the inexorable operation of this impersonal Moral Law that permeates everything. We are moral creatures, it HAS to judge us. The Bible reveals the standards and the nature of the judgments. "The eages pf som os deatj
os a reve;atopm pf the stamdards pf tjoe My eyes are suddenly getting really bad. ….The Bible is a revelation of the standards of the moral law. "The wates of sin is death" is how it works. Death includes every kind of pain and suffering but ultimately literal death. Since death is the consewunces that is why Jesus had to die for us. HIS death took the place of the death we deserve. We still literally die but that's the end of death and suffering because of what He did for us. He fulfilled the Law of God, That's what the Bible says. He took it ALL into Himself. He could do that because He is God AND man and as man absolutely sinless. No one with sin could die in our place because sin deserves death. Only a sinless man who did not deserve it could CHOOSE to die for us. Yet this glorious truth is ridiculoed here.

I just spilled a big cup of coffee with cream in it all over the carpet.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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