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Phat
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Message 1 of 58 (875107)
04-14-2020 9:15 AM


As many of you here know, I am also a Christian who feels very strongly about the responsibilities as well as the rights of freedom of speech.That being said I agree with Percys decision to ban a member in the interest of responsibility for what is publically said here at EvC. There is a fine line between beliefs vs facts and we all have a personal responsibility. Lets all look at ourselves as an extended family and think before we speak when it comes to science and public safety.

Any further comments regarding Faiths banning can also be discussed here. Lets keep our other topics on topic and not about Faith. This topic can also be about what other Christians including myself say publically.

Ive been busy at the grocery store during this quarantine and wont post as much but my prayers are with you all. We can all fuss later.

Edited by Phat, : appallin spallin


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Percy
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Message 2 of 58 (875108)
04-14-2020 9:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
04-14-2020 9:15 AM


Phat writes:

Ive been busy at the grocery store during this quarantine and wont post as much but my prayers are with you all.

Grocery workers are hard hit, it's in the news, e.g.: ‘It feels like a war zone’: As more of them die, grocery workers increasingly fear showing up at work

Please wear a mask and gloves.

I went shopping Saturday morning. Roughly half the customers wore masks. A few also wore gloves like me. A couple had surgical gloves like me, one had winter gloves.

But no employees were wearing masks or gloves. I fear for them. We're less than an hour outside Boston, a hotbed.

I was in the grocery store for maybe 40 minutes, then PetSmart, Home Depot, Lowes and Walmart. I got home, left the groceries in a quarantine area in the garage (we can access them beginning today), washed the gloves with isopropyl alcohol, threw all the clothes in the washer, then took a shower. I later washed my phone, eyeglasses and watch with isopropyl alcohol.

--Pecy


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Phat
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Message 3 of 58 (875109)
04-14-2020 9:38 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
04-14-2020 9:28 AM


Thanks for your concern. At my store we were all given masks and gloves. we also have hand sanitizer for cashiers and customer use though they still have none for sale. Nearly everyone respects social distancing though i do get coughed at occasionally. I try and keep discussions positive and help people find what they need. Our shelves are still depleted though not as much. We are entering some tough and challenging times as a nation.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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jar
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Message 4 of 58 (875114)
04-14-2020 10:16 AM


Banning Faith had no effect of her FAKE NEWS.
Unfortunately, banning Faith from EvC simply means the same destructive, horrid, obscene, vitriolic, absurd, dishonest, stupid, disgusting, demonic, excrement will get posted without being challenged and she will have another tool to show that what is happening in a liberal commie socialist attack on her, on God and on 'Murica!

The disconnect from reality and direct attack on CONTENT over SOURCE, EVIDENCE over TESTIMONY and REALITY over BELIEF is pervasive and ubiquitous.

EvC served as a valued counterpoint, a place when the viscous, obscene and repulsive stuff she marketed never went unchallenged.

Unfortunately, banning Faith only removed the challenge side of her spiel. The spiel will continue but on other venues where it goes not just unchallenged but applauded.

Edited by jar, : change ******** to excement


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Phat
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Message 5 of 58 (875117)
04-14-2020 11:32 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by jar
04-14-2020 10:16 AM


Re: Banning Faith had no effect of her FAKE NEWS.
There exists Fake News and there exists False Prophets and those who represent the Bible falsely even though they claim they merely report what it says. I have no time to quibble with you now about THAT...for there are many important things that we are charged by the Holy Spirit (or by what you would say are simply humanistic good conscience) to do. I predict that in the coming months and years that life is going to become harder and much more challenging. It is my belief that we humans...believers and non believers alike...are charged to love help support and encourage one another. We will see many videos warning of apocalyptic events as well as increased looting and social breakdown. but this is not yet the curtain call. It is a dress rehersal. People will trade freedom for security. We are not to worry whether social collapse is ominent or inevitable. As you have said before we ate charged to DO what Jesus told us to do.

Perhaps I will start a Last Days topic later but right now I am concerned only with doing the best job and help others today. Hope you are healthy and safe jar.


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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jar
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Message 6 of 58 (875118)
04-14-2020 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by Phat
04-14-2020 11:32 AM


Re: Banning Faith had no effect of her FAKE NEWS.
Word Salad and absurdity; no content or meaning or worth Phat.

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Phat
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Message 7 of 58 (875119)
04-14-2020 11:50 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
04-14-2020 11:33 AM


jar and Phat may have time for another round!
jar writes:

The disconnect from reality and direct attack on CONTENT over SOURCE, EVIDENCE over TESTIMONY and REALITY over BELIEF is pervasive and ubiquitous.

Regarding the Bible, Content supports Source. I disagree with you that humans simply made it up. They Do however react emotionally rather than thoughtfully.

Edited by Phat, : woke up a bit


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Phat
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Message 8 of 58 (875120)
04-14-2020 12:22 PM


Regarding Reality
i looked at my last post and realized that I am making the same mistake that I accuse others of making.I react without thinking my response through. In fact Im gonna simply edit my last post. This post is my official reply to jar.

Why whatever do you mean jar?


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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jar
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Message 9 of 58 (875121)
04-14-2020 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by Phat
04-14-2020 12:22 PM


Re: Regarding Reality
I mean that Faith and the Apologists and conmen and liars will simply continue marketing their snake oil and if they are banned from here their lies will go unchallenged.

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Phat
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Message 10 of 58 (875122)
04-14-2020 2:06 PM
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04-14-2020 1:37 PM


Re: Regarding Reality
you would have to be more specific. Through freedom of speech I can market ant belief I want as long as it does no harm to others.
And we can and will mention Jesus in public with no worry that we will be censored.
You are free to set your booth up next to mine but if you misrepresent my product while hawking your own you may incur liability.

If we tell our clients to pray and meditate more and watch less news and you call us out as frauds we may have a case against you. Stand back 6-12 feet! Social distancing is enforced.

Part of what I want to discuss in this topic is when it is right to censor Christians. There are times...like in school for instance but only during class and not recess. Or when a Christian conflates scripture with miracles that cure warts.

Edited by Phat, : added jabberwocky


“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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Message 11 of 58 (875123)
04-14-2020 2:19 PM


Hidden Poison
I have two cents. I’ll spend them here.

I see two venues. Stupid of the entrenched variety (as in religion / willful ignorance / lack of intellect) and deliberate poison to watch the world burn.

Trying to shield society from them only results in one thing. It drives them underground where they fester and spread unchallenged.

In this case we are dealing with religiously inspired politically motivated stupid. Let it be seen for what it is.

Censorship, no matter how well intentioned, is its own poison on society and is never the answer.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

  
jar
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Message 12 of 58 (875124)
04-14-2020 2:30 PM
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04-14-2020 2:06 PM


Re: Regarding Reality
You are of course free to try to sell the god or gods you create.

The point is that by banning Faith she gets to spread her filth without challenge.


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Tangle
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Message 13 of 58 (875129)
04-15-2020 2:35 AM


Banning her from all threads and not just the one about Corona is an over-reaction. I don't even agree with banning her from that thread, but a total ban is a thoughtless knee-jerk.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 14 of 58 (875130)
04-15-2020 5:59 AM


Has she been banned permanently? What for?

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Message 15 of 58 (875131)
04-15-2020 7:14 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by caffeine
04-15-2020 5:59 AM


Faith writes:

Has she been banned permanently? What for?

'Indefinitely' apparently. For being Faith and talking bollox. Same shit different topic.

Pecy has gone into hyperactive paranoia mode about Covid sadly.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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