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Message 3 of 452 (875777)
05-05-2020 7:49 PM


it really is simple.
Natural things and processes can be observed and tested.

Nothing supernatural can be observed or tested.

It really is that simple.


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Message 27 of 452 (875820)
05-07-2020 8:31 AM
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05-06-2020 4:59 PM


And yet again.
There is evidence of natural things, natural effects and natural causes.

There is no evidence of any supernatural effects, causes, things or beings.

You and I may believe that there is a GOD, the creator of all that is, seen and unseen but the reality is that it can never be more than an irrational, unreasonable, illogical belief.

It really is that simple.


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Message 48 of 452 (875880)
05-08-2020 4:42 PM
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05-08-2020 4:16 PM


Creationism is simply fantasy at best. But it's profitable.
The fact remains.

There is evidence of natural things and natural processes.

There is no evidence of any supernatural things or supernatural processes.

Adding in a God provides no information or explanations; it serves no purpose.


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Message 53 of 452 (875900)
05-09-2020 10:46 AM
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05-09-2020 10:20 AM


Re: Creationism is simply fantasy at best. But it's profitable.
RAZD writes:

In neither case does the result change with or without γ, but what you cannot say is whether or not {god/s} created the universe such that this was so.

What we can say is that it is apparent that there is no need to factor in any God to understand reality.

It's fine to believe in a God but just silly as well as unnecessary to try to assert or insert such an entity.


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Message 57 of 452 (875930)
05-09-2020 5:40 PM
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05-09-2020 5:34 PM


Re: Re-46(PaulK)&47(ringo): Evolution is a great theory
As expected the Gallop and Tap Dance continues. So far in none of his threads has he ever provided any support of any of his assertions.

It's sameo sameo. Creationists never learn.


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Message 79 of 452 (875978)
05-10-2020 5:15 PM
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05-10-2020 4:48 PM


Re: Re-GDR(64): The opposite of materialism is idealism, I don’t …
the Preacher Man writes:

I prefer to use Naturalism, which states that all natural phenomena occur naturally and are driven by the natural forces and natural laws, while Creationists say – No, somethings were created.

Once again, little words just for you.

There is evidence of Natural Things and Natural Processes.

There is no evidence of Supernatural Things or Supernatural Processes.

Until you present the evidence of Supernatural Things or Supernatural Processes you are just posting Word Salad.

It really is that simple.

YOU have nothing to offer it seems. Classic CCoI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Message 101 of 452 (876112)
05-12-2020 5:53 PM
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05-12-2020 5:45 PM


Re: Identifying the supernatural
A miracle is still not evidence of the supernatural. At best it can be place in the column marked "Unknowns".

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Message 118 of 452 (876177)
05-13-2020 8:38 PM
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05-13-2020 8:00 PM


LoL

No it did not. The process existed but not the information.

Dem bones dem bones dem dry bones...


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Message 130 of 452 (876395)
05-18-2020 5:41 PM
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05-18-2020 5:06 PM


Re: Re-Stile(90): Premise
It really is that simple.

Until someone provides the evidence of some super-natural process or super-natural event or super-natural entity ALL of the evidence shows natural processes, natural events and natural entities.

Richard has so far offered nothing but Word Salad.


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Message 162 of 452 (876482)
05-20-2020 8:13 PM
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05-20-2020 7:52 PM


Language in Though and Action
Back in, IIRC the 8th or 9th grade, back in the late 1950s, we were introduced to SI Hayakawa's textbook, Language in Thought and Action.

One of the concepts that has always served me well is "The Map is not the Territory". We like to place things in somewhat neat boxes and we call that stuff "knowledge", but the daffodil we know is not the actual item "daffodil". One is our map, the other is the territory.

Maps change. Not every place is yet mapped. And not one of the maps really is the territory. And even when we actually visit the territory what we bring away, what we call knowledge is still not the territory.

Knowledge is a critter creation. The knowledge we are most concerned with is simply a human creation. It is never the territory and exists only as long as there is someone that holds that particular map. And if the map gets burned that knowledge no longer exists. There may well be other "maps" that still exist but the one that burned no longer exists. And none of the maps will ever actually be the territory.


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Message 218 of 452 (876604)
05-23-2020 4:53 PM
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05-23-2020 4:45 PM


Re: Re-PaulK(205): bioprocesses related to non-material elements
Just checked and Alexa can also solve 1 + 1...

Why is this thread even open??????????????????????????????????


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Message 259 of 452 (876747)
05-27-2020 11:24 AM
Reply to: Message 258 by WookieeB
05-27-2020 10:21 AM


there is no unicorn
There is no unicorn.

There is only natural laws and natural processes. The proof of that is that a machine, that has nothing but natural processes can count the onions in the field or determine when to water or determine the current temperature or read Macbeth or ...

There is no evidence of anything other than natural processes and natural things.


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