Naturalism in biology is the idea that only natural laws operate in biological processes.
It isn't so much that only natural laws operate. It's that natural laws are all we can examine. If there was a God that interacted with the real world in a predictable manner, it could certainly be incorporated into science.
Re: Re – 19(PaulK): DN strictly controls science and education
Richard L. Wang writes:
Can one teach creationism in classrooms of public schools?
That's a political issue, not a scientific one. You can't teach creationism in an American school because it's religion, not science. In Canada, we're not quite as explicit. You could probably teach creationism in a Canadian school but we don't because it's rubbish. There's no "science" demon stopping us.
No, we call it a "code" because the arrangement of molecules corresponds to a symbol system that is independent from and conveys information independent from any physical properties of the molecules themselves.
How is the "message" written on the molecule? What is the ink?
Are you saying that prior to human existence nothing existed?
Of course not. I'm saying that prior to human existence no information existed. Just like no limericks existed.
It's the same argument as saying that DNA contains no mystical code. All it is is an arrangement of atoms that behaves in certain ways depending on the arrangement. "Information" is just the spin that humans put on it.
Are you saying that for other non-human minds there is nothing akin to information?
There may be dolphin information and even ant information. When you learn to read it you can compare it to human information. In any case, it's still just a dolphin interpretation or an ant interpretation of dolphin reality or ant reality. It has no inherent existence.
Wookie B writes:
The parts/matter is still there, but the (purposeful) arrangement of those parts has an effect independent of the properties of the matter itself.
First, there is no "purposeful arrangement". DNA does not have a purpose.
Second, how is it even possible for some mystical message to be written on the atoms themselves, independent of the atoms themselves? What is the ink?
I use the word "mystical" very deliberately because there is no real message other than the arrangement of the atoms.
Probably, information as it is imprinted on a human mind is different from human to human.
Exactly. Because it is CREATED within the individual mind based on the unique set of inputs received by that mind.
Wookie B writes:
But how? What is the medium? What is the message made of?
I already gave an example of how with the Macbeth scenario.
Your example doesn't answer the question. If every copy of Macbeth was erased from every mind and every medium, how would it be rebuilt? You claim that the information in Macbeth is floating around out there somewhere in the cosmos. So if Shakespeare managed to figure it out once, somebody else should be able to figure it out again. How? Be specific.
Wookie B writes:
For the sake of discussion, in our natural world a mind is dependent on matter (the brain), but a mind is not the brain.
No, I'm using thw word "mind" pretty much interchangeably with "brain". If you think the mind is more than just a brain function, you're going to have to supply a whole lot of evidence.