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Author Topic:   the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.
Phat
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Message 151 of 160 (876549)
05-22-2020 8:39 AM
Reply to: Message 149 by cristian_gavrilescu
05-22-2020 1:22 AM


Re: Hinduism
Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Taq
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Message 152 of 160 (876551)
05-22-2020 10:58 AM
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05-22-2020 1:22 AM


Re: Hinduism
c_g writes:

show me a god who said that in the same way

Show me a god who has said anything, ever.


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ringo
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Message 153 of 160 (876554)
05-22-2020 12:04 PM
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05-22-2020 2:22 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

What evidence do you have that suggests otherwise?


Have you ever heard of Jews?

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 154 of 160 (876558)
05-22-2020 1:51 PM
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05-22-2020 12:04 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Does said persecution include Christian on Christian action? Because in that case, I might buy it.

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Capt Stormfield
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Message 155 of 160 (876559)
05-22-2020 2:01 PM
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05-22-2020 2:22 AM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
The article in Huffpo is specific to a very narrow slice in time, ie. right now, and focuses on Islamic intolerance. A longer view of the relationship between Christianity and the natives through centuries of imperialism and empire would look a bit different.

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Phat
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Message 156 of 160 (876568)
05-22-2020 4:08 PM
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05-22-2020 2:01 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
That is a good point, and I don't pretend to ignore the atrocities done "in the name of Christianity or Jesus" but I will defend the basic message due to the fact that I ascribe to the belief fully and likely would dismiss the actions by saying that though they were real Christians they were unchanged and not transformed. Not to say that we have been given this great gift fully either. Who knows? God may decide to bless the secular humanists and atheists with the Spirit despite the fact they dont believe He exists. Stranger things have happened and (I predict) will happen.

“The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
“As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

- You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
Anne Lamott
I Have Strong Arguments Which I Cant Say To You~CG

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Taq
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Message 157 of 160 (876727)
05-26-2020 6:27 PM
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05-22-2020 4:08 PM


Re: Moderator Inquiry
Phat writes:

That is a good point, and I don't pretend to ignore the atrocities done "in the name of Christianity or Jesus" but I will defend the basic message due to the fact that I ascribe to the belief fully and likely would dismiss the actions by saying that though they were real Christians they were unchanged and not transformed. Not to say that we have been given this great gift fully either. Who knows?

I gravitate towards a more wholistic approach. When people sacrifice their own moral instincts in the name of obedience to a charismatic leader they run the risk of committing terrible atrocities.


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Dredge
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Message 158 of 160 (881752)
08-28-2020 8:49 PM
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05-12-2020 7:26 AM


We can learn a lot about the history of life on earth by what is revealed in the fossil record ... and what we learn is, the Genesis account of creation is not a literal description of what happened.
A Christian does not have to reject what science reveals - that God created simple organisms in the beginning, then created more complex organisms are time went on.

Regarding the creation of Adam, please consider this possibility: God took the DNA (described as "dust/clay" in Genesis 2:7) of a pre-existing creature (a Homo sapien without a soul) and from it created Adam, after which God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden. separated from the rest of creation.
This may have happened about 10,000 years ago, because that is about the time history records great advances in civilization and inventions ... plus, the "cradle of civilization" is located very close to where Genesis 2 says the Garden of Eden was located.

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Message 159 of 160 (881757)
08-29-2020 1:03 AM
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08-28-2020 8:49 PM


A story is a story. Before you go any further, please explain how an elevator could possibly lift Mjölnir (Cap: "The elevator is not worthy."). That's about at the same level.

My Rabbinic Lit professor, Rabbi Kalir, explained haggadah to us. They're like jokes. You have an almost infinite number of different lead-ups, but the punch line is always the same. And it's the punch line that always matters.

You are bogging yourself down in the lead-up and losing sight of the punch line.


"Christians have no idea how to read the Bible."
(Jewish protagonist in Mein Bester Feind)


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ringo
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Message 160 of 160 (881763)
08-29-2020 12:23 PM
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08-28-2020 8:49 PM


dredge writes:

Regarding the creation of Adam, please consider this possibility: God took the DNA (described as "dust/clay" in Genesis 2:7) of a pre-existing creature (a Homo sapien without a soul) and from it created Adam, after which God placed Adam in the Garden of Eden. separated from the rest of creation.
This may have happened about 10,000 years ago, because that is about the time history records great advances in civilization and inventions ...


Or some (biological) alien may have tweaked a pre-existing (evolved) creature's DNA to make it sapient (in a process having nothing whatever to do with "souls").

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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