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Author Topic:   the big lie: evolution, the beasts: darwin, hitler and nero.
cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 76 of 156 (876186)
05-14-2020 2:50 AM
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Re: Are People Okay With Shutting This Down
when you think that you are smart, poor people are pariah for you, you are a noble

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. (Matthew 25:34-46)


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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 77 of 156 (876191)
05-14-2020 7:11 AM
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Re: Are People Okay With Shutting This Down
for me the right behavior is to think that you are a servant of the Lord,

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Message 78 of 156 (876205)
05-14-2020 11:40 AM
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Re: Are People Okay With Shutting This Down
for me the right behavior is to think that you are a servant of the Lord,

Even when you are completely delusional in thinking that, but instead are serving Satan by working so hard to destroy Christianity?

No "think". Do!

 
And I just made the mistake of feeding a troll bot. And a very badly written one at that.


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The thread originator is not on-topic, is not making sense, and is not engaging with the content he's responding to. Unless someone makes a persuasive plea for keeping this open I will close it in a couple days.

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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 80 of 156 (876208)
05-14-2020 12:01 PM
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Re: Moderator Inquiry
please take care, be vigilant, the off topic will kill us
say your opinion even when is not necessary

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cristian_gavrilescu
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Message 81 of 156 (876210)
05-14-2020 12:18 PM
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Re: Moderator Inquiry
buddy you (all) are searching for the truth? no? i say the truth, and you don't let me

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Message 82 of 156 (876219)
05-14-2020 4:48 PM
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Re: Moderator Inquiry
buddy you (all) are searching for the truth? no? i say the truth, and you don't let me

If what you're saying is the truth, then no, nobody here is searching for that.

"I'm Fallen and I can't get up!"

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Message 83 of 156 (876220)
05-14-2020 4:51 PM
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Topic Synopsis
CG writes:

who made Christianity and why? who made the old testament and why? you don't believe in Lord Jesus, so someone lied and made the new testament for an evil reason, according to your opinion. those who lied, they believed in evolution? or other gods?
I apologize for the tone, I have to make a point.

Cristian I will indulge you only because I am a believer and I understand that you are either a troll who has no interest in your audience or you are a believer who is zealous yet immature in the faith. I suspect that you are immature in the faith. I see that AZPaul3 has addressed this somewhat.
AZPaul3 writes:

You're the one who came rushing in here with your laundry list of complaints and assertions.

Do you have any resources for any of this:

  • According to "science", the oldest cities in the world are Jericho and Damascus.
  • The oldest ruins in the world are in Iraq
  • Near Iraq is the birthplace of Adam
  • Darwin is the beast, the liar, the deceiver, Darwin is not science, he is not education, he is not the truth.
  • Carbon dating or other dating is not accurate. They bring those numbers to fit evolution.
  • There is no proof about evolution.
    Each point in your diatribe, each "fact" you give - show us the source. How do you know these are true? What evidence do you have that attests to their veracity?
    Finally, please answer us this question: Are you here to discuss differences on these issues with those of different minds or are you here to preach your creed to the heathens?

  • I get challenged and laughed at by AZPaul3 also, but I respect the challenge as a way to more fully define my own thoughts on these issues.
    CG writes:

    some people mime intelligence, they don't know a single true fact about us, about life.

    Well I know this is true in politics. I prefer to phrase it like this: Some people repeat what they have been told by other sourses who also repeat what they heard on Fox News. My critics accuse me of repeating what I hear from Christian Apologists or other Christians, which I am guilty of, chiefly because we all largely agree on scriptural interpretation and the interpretations that many raise here, mainly from atheists and critically thinking Episcopalians who tell me to *throw God Away* are ludicrous to me. I think that they surely must be out of touch.

    I try and discuss differences when I write here. I do layout my beliefs, however. What are yours?

  • Is Jesus Christ alive in Spirit today? Are there basically two groups...two "bodies" on the earth today? I believe that there soon will be. The Wheat and the Tares.
    The Body of Christ and the headless body of humans running after evidence, self-actualization, and other hogwash. But eno0ugh about beliefs. This is a Science Forum and we are expected to bring evidence. In matters of Faith & Belief, I use more subjective experience and intuition but I know I can't do that here.

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    Message 84 of 156 (876221)
    05-14-2020 4:53 PM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    ringo, addressing CG writes:

    If what you're saying is the truth, then no, nobody here is searching for that.

    Of course not. You rely entirely on evidence. Which works ok for the age of the earth and origin of species, but not for the idea that God exists and is in communion with humanity should we want it. I will concede, however, that objective evidence is lacking.

    “The only way I know to drive out evil from the country is by the constructive method of filling it with good.”Calvin Coolidge
    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    “As the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, so the denial of God is the height of foolishness.”-RC Sproul, Essential Truths of the Christian Faith

    - You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.
    Anne Lamott
    Believe those who are seeking the truth. Doubt those who find it.~Andre Gide

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    cristian_gavrilescu
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    Message 85 of 156 (876230)
    05-14-2020 10:22 PM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    i know you say evolution "is a fact" but i want to know why

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    Message 86 of 156 (876234)
    05-15-2020 2:23 AM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    CG writes:

    i know you say evolution "is a fact" but i want to know why

    Hi and good to have you here.

    I think the real question is why you believe it isn't fact. I suggest that you reject it because of the particular way you understand the Bible. May I suggest that when you understand the Genesis accounts as if they have a scientific basis, then you are turning it into something never intended and as a result miss out on its actual message.

    The Genesis accounts are ancient mythologies that introduced a new understanding of God into the ancient world. It talks about the creator bringing about a beautiful world that teemed with life. It talks about the concept of humans attaining the knowledge of good and evil and how easy it was for humans to turn to evil. It talks about how when we choose evil it leads to the loss of our humanity. It talks about how as humans we have been given responsibility for the stewardship of our planet. When you try and read it like a divinely written science text or newspaper the real message get lost in the shuffle.

    As Christians we can be interested and study evolution, but we absolutely should not reject it as an issue of faith. For that matter we should give thanks for the incredible process of evolution and how God has made us co-creators. Instead of arguing against it, because of what is in my opinion a serious misuse of Scripture, we should be looking at what has been accomplished through the evolutionary process and marveling at God's handiwork.


    He has told you, O man, what is good ; And what does the LORD require of you But to do justice, to love kindness, And to walk humbly with your God.

    Micah 6:8


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    cristian_gavrilescu
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    Message 87 of 156 (876235)
    05-15-2020 3:03 AM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    if you believe evolution, you are not christian, the end

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    Message 88 of 156 (876238)
    05-15-2020 7:34 AM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    I am a Christian and understand that ALL of the evidence supports the fact of evolution. That is not a belief but a conclusion based on the evidence.

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    cristian_gavrilescu
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    Message 89 of 156 (876239)
    05-15-2020 7:36 AM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    tell me one, not two

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    Message 90 of 156 (876244)
    05-15-2020 8:56 AM
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    Re: Moderator Inquiry
    guys, you can't hide anymore, Lord Jesus is here, this is the end.
    this is what i believe, and i have strong arguments which i can't say to you

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