What have we accomplished?

Coming here seems more legitimate than yelling at the TV.

Thanks for the compliment. Once in a while a clown comes in to make everybody laugh. Amen.

Interesting term that, "professional creationists". How was Kent Hovid not a professional creationist? Didn't he derive a lot of his income from lecturing about creationism? You can call him a charlatan or a ****ing liar or even a criminal but I don't see how you can question his professionalism.

Because it's turning you into Faith.

It may look like that from inside your bunker but it doesn't look like that from out here in the open. Case in point. Another case in point. Now you're scoffing at science.There's no such thing as placing too much value on reality.

You don't know that. Because a lot of what you THINK you know is only belief. Because your INTERPRETATION of your "experiences" may well be wrong. You may not be identical to Faith but you're backsliding in her direction. Instead of beig defensive, you should take it as a warning: If Faith said something similar, run screaming in the opposite direction.

Many times a "very real experience" IS a delusion.

That's why I don't set up my "experiences" as the be-all and end-all of truth like you do. If there's no consensus about what the evidence is, I don't accept leprechauns or bigfeet or gods. If we don't know we don't know and I don't pretend that I do.

Humans seem to love company in their delusions. That's why we have religions.Edited by ringo, : No reason given.

The thing is, you guys already have things that you claim are supernatural - strange voices, faces on tacos, etc. Some of those things can be explained - e.g. pareidolia. If they can not be expained, the proper conclusion is, "We don't know." The WORST conclusion is, "It's a miracle done by God - MY God, not somebody else's god."It's always been like that, always has been, always will be (barring a universal abandonment of all gods). There are not going to be more "miraculous" events in the next 20 years. As the number of religious nuts decreases, it is likely that they will become louder.

Interesting mishmash of words: It is evident that there is no evidence?But you refuse to even look at the evidence.

The issue was only about the apologists. Of course we DO have evidence that the apologists are liars: the Bible. That the apologists are lying. Why can't you keep track of the plot? "Biblical Christians" have nothing to do with it. I'm just trying to defend the Bible and decent human behaviour against your attacks. The lies about exclusivity are disgusting, yes. I've answered that question for you before. We need to do what's right, not just blindly follow some alien overlord. The god you make up is worth no more to me than the satan you make up is worth to you.

No a direct descendant. Distant cousins.

Again you're not paying attention. Bananas and humans are distant cousins. There is no direct cousin-to-cousin line of descent.

Nobody is suggesting that proteins "sprang" from nothing. They developed from something that was kinda like proteins but not quite proteins. The probability of each step in the many steps is pretty high. It's not that easy to distinguish between inanimate matter and organic matter as it is. Are viruses alive?