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Tangle
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Message 211 of 263 (879567)
07-18-2020 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 209 by Kleinman
07-18-2020 8:14 AM


kleinman writes:

And weren't you the one who claimed to be a scientist, you liar?

No, that would be another one of your many errors. I'm not a scientist though I do have a couple of science degrees, one post grad. I have published in another non-related discipline; my other post-grad degree.

So now that we're finished measuring dicks and just so you don't feel like you have to say it again, I will not be commenting on your mathematics. It's not my subject, though your absurd misunderstandings of very basic probability are visible even to me.

But I'm very happy to put you right on gods, beliefs and atheism - the actual reason you're here and a subject you keep poking your nose out on before pulling it right back behind your little mathematical smokescreen.

How about you get out of your closet and discuss your real agenda?


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Kleinman
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Message 212 of 263 (879568)
07-18-2020 9:56 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Tangle
07-18-2020 9:34 AM


Kleinman writes:

And weren't you the one who claimed to be a scientist, you liar?

Tangle writes:

No, that would be another one of your many errors. I'm not a scientist though I do have a couple of science degrees, one post grad. I have published in another non-related discipline; my other post-grad degree.


Prove it or just continue to be the liar you are.
Tangle writes:

So now that we're finished measuring dicks and just so you don't feel like you have to say it again, I will not be commenting on your mathematics. It's not my subject, though your absurd misunderstandings of very basic probability are visible even to me.


You haven't measured anything. You just babble nonsense about Kiwi birds.
Tangle writes:

But I'm very happy to put you right on gods, beliefs and atheism - the actual reason you're here and a subject you keep poking your nose out on before pulling it right back behind your little mathematical smokescreen.


If only you fish-to-mammals aficionados could correctly explain the physics and mathematics of the Lenski and Kishony experiments, but that kind of physics and mathematics is not in your indoctrination. Too bad for those suffering from drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. Why don't you try to put the world right for them?
Tangle writes:

How about you get out of your closet and discuss your real agenda?


So now in your tangled mind you add paranoia to your delusions. Is the correct explanation of the physics and mathematics of evolution that frightening to you?

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Message 213 of 263 (879570)
07-18-2020 11:51 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Tangle
07-18-2020 9:34 AM


His actual motive might be a vendetta against Alan Kleinman.

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Kleinman
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Message 214 of 263 (879572)
07-18-2020 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by PaulK
07-18-2020 11:51 AM


PaulK writes:

His actual motive might be a vendetta against Alan Kleinman.


lol

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Tangle
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Message 215 of 263 (879573)
07-18-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 212 by Kleinman
07-18-2020 9:56 AM


kleinman writes:

Prove it or just continue to be the liar you are.

What a model Christian you are; such a role model. I'm sure your god is pleased with you.

Anytime you wish to talk about your beliefs, just post away, meanwhile I'll leave you to your sums.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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ringo
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Message 216 of 263 (879578)
07-18-2020 12:37 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Fuckdamods
07-17-2020 11:43 PM


a Servant of Christ writes:

kleinman has 11 published papers, and you guys talk to him like he's a tin-foil hat. no wonder the discourse on this site is stale.


There's only so much you can say to a tin-foil hat.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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vimesey
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Message 217 of 263 (879580)
07-18-2020 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by PaulK
07-18-2020 11:51 AM


That's an interesting thought. Alan Kleinman and his Church went to Court over a parking easement - it was established that he hadn't paid a $30 fee for the easement. I'm guessing his church was a bit peeved about things.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Kleinman
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Message 218 of 263 (879582)
07-18-2020 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Tangle
07-18-2020 12:17 PM


Kleinman writes:

Prove it or just continue to be the liar you are.

Tangle writes:

What a model Christian you are; such a role model. I'm sure your god is pleased with you.

Anytime you wish to talk about your beliefs, just post away, meanwhile I'll leave you to your sums.


I'd post more about math and physics but you were not indoctrinated into those scientific disciplines. Just retreat back into your pseudo-scientific delusional world that you use to justify your atheism.

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Kleinman
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Message 219 of 263 (879583)
07-18-2020 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by ringo
07-18-2020 12:37 PM


a Servant of Christ writes:

kleinman has 11 published papers, and you guys talk to him like he's a tin-foil hat. no wonder the discourse on this site is stale.

ringo writes:

There's only so much you can say to a tin-foil hat.


Oh, no! There is plenty more to say to the tin-foil hat wearing fish-to-mammals aficionados. The tin-foil hat wearing fish-to-mammals aficionados still need to learn how to do DNA phylogenetics correctly.

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Kleinman
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Message 220 of 263 (879584)
07-18-2020 1:02 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by vimesey
07-18-2020 12:46 PM


vimesey writes:

That's an interesting thought. Alan Kleinman and his Church went to Court over a parking easement - it was established that he hadn't paid a $30 fee for the easement. I'm guessing his church was a bit peeved about things.


There is no end to the fish-to-mammals aficionados' fiction story telling. Too bad you fish-to-mammals aficionados don't understand physics and math. You might be able to tell a non-fiction story about evolution.

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ringo
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Message 221 of 263 (879585)
07-18-2020 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Kleinman
07-18-2020 12:57 PM


Kleinman writes:

There is plenty more to say to the tin-foil hat wearing fish-to-mammals aficionados.


More to say? That's rich, coming from the guy who keeps repeating the same childish mantra over and over again.

And at least try to get it right: it isn't fish to mammals. Fish and mammals are distant cousins. They have a common ancestor, not a direct line of descent. Fish-great-great-great... grandpa was also mammal-great-great-great... grandpa.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Kleinman
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Message 222 of 263 (879586)
07-18-2020 1:45 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by ringo
07-18-2020 1:06 PM


Kleinman writes:

There is plenty more to say to the tin-foil hat wearing fish-to-mammals aficionados.

ringo writes:

More to say? That's rich, coming from the guy who keeps repeating the same childish mantra over and over again.


Why doesn't the fish-to-mammal aficionado from a frozen wasteland allow his brain to thaw out? The multiplication rule of probabilities is not a mantra, it is a mathematical fact of life.
ringo writes:

And at least try to get it right: it isn't fish to mammals. Fish and mammals are distant cousins. They have a common ancestor, not a direct line of descent. Fish-great-great-great... grandpa was also mammal-great-great-great... grandpa.


You mathematically incompetent ding-dong fish-to-mammals aficionados can't even explain the mathematics of direct descendants correctly. So instead, you banana-pick your genes to do your DNA phylogenetics to show you are related to bananas. This is the kind of stupidity that causes drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments.

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Tangle
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Message 223 of 263 (879591)
07-18-2020 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by Kleinman
07-18-2020 12:52 PM


kleinman writes:

I'd post more about math and physics but you were not indoctrinated into those scientific disciplines.

You're very fond of making assertions about things on which you have no information aren't you?

retreat back into your pseudo-scientific delusional world that you use to justify your atheism.

I'm here, anytime you want to come out from behind your plastic abacus and talk about what you're really here for. Don't be shy, we've seen it all before.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Kleinman
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Message 224 of 263 (879592)
07-18-2020 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by Tangle
07-18-2020 3:34 PM


Kleinman writes:

I'd post more about math and physics but you were not indoctrinated into those scientific disciplines.

Tangle writes:

You're very fond of making assertions about things on which you have no information aren't you?


Oh boy, the tangled mind is now going to explain to us the physics and mathematics of evolution. He going to do that by presenting the correct mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski evolution experiments. NOT!
Kleinman writes:

retreat back into your pseudo-scientific delusional world that you use to justify your atheism.

Tangle writes:

I'm here, anytime you want to come out from behind your plastic abacus and talk about what you're really here for. Don't be shy, we've seen it all before.


Don't confuse your delusions with actually seeing things. You fish-to-mammals aficionados definitely haven't presented the correct mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiments. And actually, my abacus is made primarily from silicon. And what it says is your notion of fish evolving into mammals is mathematically irrational. What's worse is that your delusions contribute to drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. You should really stop indoctrinating naive school children with your mathematically irrational mythology. It is harming people. Can't any of you atheists do math?

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Tangle
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Message 225 of 263 (879594)
07-18-2020 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Kleinman
07-18-2020 3:58 PM


kleinman writes:

Don't confuse your delusions with actually seeing things. You fish-to-mammals aficionados definitely haven't presented the correct mathematics for the Kishony and Lenski experiments. And actually, my abacus is made primarily from silicon. And what it says is your notion of fish evolving into mammals is mathematically irrational. What's worse is that your delusions contribute to drug-resistant infections and failed cancer treatments. You should really stop indoctrinating naive school children with your mathematically irrational mythology. It is harming people. Can't any of you atheists do math?

Like I say, anytime you're ready, let's start talking about your faith and my atheism. Stop hiding.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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