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Author Topic:   Biden Our Time: All things Joe Biden
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Message 6 of 271 (879033)
07-10-2020 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
07-09-2020 3:42 PM


Phat writes:

My only question is where America will get all of this money for future stimulus plans and economic jumpstarts?


Ever hear of taxes?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 10 of 271 (879057)
07-10-2020 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
07-10-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:

Taxes wont begin to cover it.


Why not?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 14 of 271 (879142)
07-12-2020 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
07-12-2020 1:55 AM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:

First of all, it makes little sense to fund future stimulus checks by raising taxes. We pay out as much or more than we would recoup through a stimulus check.


Stimulus checks aren't intended to make a profit. They're intendrd to stimulate. Stimulate economic activity --> more tax revenue.

Phat writes:

Second of all, those of us who are ourselves in the next to lowest quadrant of economic earnings dont have room to pay higher taxes.


Tell it to those of us in the lowest quadrant.

Phat writes:

And i'm here to tell you right now that at least in my case I barely have $3,000.00 a year left over after paying all my bills and usually that too gets used.


So you could pay extra taxes on that $3,000. I have to spend everything I make.

Phat writes:

Were they to take that profit for increased taxes, I would actually fare worse.


Some people already do fare worse.

Phat writes:

The point is that increasing taxes is not going to cover the needs that the masses require....


I don't know why you're so desparate to hoist yourself above the masses.

The masses can take care of themselves as long as they have an economic environment that lets them do it.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 17 of 271 (879231)
07-13-2020 12:28 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by kjsimons
07-12-2020 8:51 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
kjsimons writes:

What is wrong with you?


You'll have to be more specific.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 39 of 271 (879884)
07-24-2020 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Sarah Bellum
07-23-2020 7:57 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Actually, I haven't decided whom to vote for.


I'm just waiting for you to say Obama was the worst president in history.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 44 of 271 (879889)
07-24-2020 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Sarah Bellum
07-24-2020 11:41 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

I'd say it was a tie between Lyndon Johnson and Woodrow Wilson.


A few years ago we had a member here - I don't remember his name - who was pretty sensible in the science threads. Then one day he made the statement that Obama was the worst president in history. I told him he just lost all credibility.

You seem to be following in his footsteps.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 58 of 271 (879920)
07-25-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
07-25-2020 2:43 AM


Re: Its The Money, Stupid
Phat writes:

For Biden to get my vote...


For Biden to get your vote, all that should be necessary is for Trump's name to be on the ballot.

Phat writes:

... he best leave my taxes alone...


You Americans need to change your insane attitude toward taxes. Any politician, including an open sewer like Trump, can get your vote by promising to lower taxes.

Do you know what lower taxes get you? Higher taxes in the future.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 75 of 271 (880033)
07-28-2020 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Sarah Bellum
07-27-2020 4:54 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

By the way, if you're trying to convince people not to vote for President Trump, I'll give you a tip: don't call them idiots for having the temerity to disagree with you!


They're not idiots for having the temerity to disagree. They're idiots for considering Trump.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 78 of 271 (880047)
07-28-2020 12:19 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by Sarah Bellum
07-28-2020 11:40 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

But if your aim is to persuade me...


No. If somebody has even considered voting for Trump, there's no reasoning with them.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 82 of 271 (880058)
07-28-2020 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Sarah Bellum
07-28-2020 1:54 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Well, the more people like you, the more likely Trump is to be re-elected, no?


If everybody was like me, Trump wouldn't get a single vote.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 83 of 271 (880062)
07-28-2020 7:19 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by Sarah Bellum
07-28-2020 2:08 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum writes:

Joe Biden fit right in with the extremely obscure Democrat mainstream, pro-Defense of Marriage, anti-Busing....


I would think that the ability to change his mind would be a good quality in a president.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 86 of 271 (880091)
07-29-2020 12:27 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Sarah Bellum
07-28-2020 9:09 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

I was referring to the marginal case where increasing the number of people with your emphasis on repelling possible Biden voters rather than attracting them might just decrease the number of Biden voters so much that the net result would be a loss of voters for Mr. Biden.


I can't make any sense of that sentence.

Sarah Bellum writes:

Don't get me wrong, I can read the opinion polls and can see that Biden, four months out, is leading. And if he does win, it certainly appears he'll be a better President than any Democrat in my lifetime.


In my lifetime, the only two decent Republicans have been Eisenhower and Ford.

Sarah Bellum writes:

But you're wasting all these opportunities to persuade me....


As I said, I wouldn't try to persuade you.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 87 of 271 (880092)
07-29-2020 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Sarah Bellum
07-28-2020 9:11 PM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum writes:

But he still has to run on his record in addition to his promises.


There's a difference. Trump has to run on his record as President - i.e. on real facts. Biden only has to run against innuendo.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 90 of 271 (880155)
07-30-2020 9:35 AM
Reply to: Message 88 by Sarah Bellum
07-30-2020 9:21 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

But if, as seems likely, that one more person were to "debate" in your style it might just persuade more than one voter to switch their vote to President Trump.


It has nothing to do with my debate style.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 91 of 271 (880159)
07-30-2020 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Sarah Bellum
07-30-2020 9:31 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum writes:

Of course this article is overall quite favorable to Vice President Biden, so he may be able to persuade voters to ignore his record.


It isn't about ignoring his record. It's about comparing his record to Trump's. And Trump has a record AS PRESIDENT too. We don't know what effect Biden's flaws would have on his presidency. We DO know what effect Trump's flaws HAVE HAD on his presidency and likely WOULD HAVE on a second term. With Biden, at least we know he is capable of changing.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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