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Phat
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Message 1 of 271 (879009)
07-09-2020 3:42 PM


This new topic will focus on the campaign promises and rhetoric from Joe Biden and the Democratic Party.
To start with, this was in todays news:
Biden Counters Trump's 'America First' With 'Build Back Better' Economic Plan
My only question is where America will get all of this money for future stimulus plans and economic jumpstarts? I fear we will hyperinflate and/or go broke as jars ominous pronouncement of The Bill Will Get Paid comes home to roost.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Message 2 of 271 (879019)
07-09-2020 11:49 PM


delete
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Message 3 of 271 (879022)
07-10-2020 1:07 AM


fake roman catholic abortionist
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea."
jesus you want me to pray for this guy? you died for him, too? this iscariot, this herod, who claims to honor your sacraments? lord i will pray for this nicolaitan if i must.
i am a sinner lord but bury the fetusmonger's campaign in concrete shoes.

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Message 4 of 271 (879025)
07-10-2020 1:43 AM
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07-10-2020 1:07 AM


Typical christian. No matter the creed.
Hateful, spiteful, evil. Unwilling to turn the other cheek without wailing loudly how bad "the others" are. Spread the toxic spirits all around the world. Sow your evil in society as if you were a minion of your Satan. You so hate the words, the deeds and the requirements of your own messiah. You mock his spirit. You mock his life.
Catholic. Ugh ... wretch!
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Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 5 of 271 (879026)
07-10-2020 2:51 AM
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07-10-2020 1:43 AM


WOAT post candidate. WWW not just EvC. so cringeworthy. damn.

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Message 6 of 271 (879033)
07-10-2020 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Phat
07-09-2020 3:42 PM


Phat writes:
My only question is where America will get all of this money for future stimulus plans and economic jumpstarts?
Ever hear of taxes?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 7 of 271 (879039)
07-10-2020 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by ringo
07-10-2020 10:22 AM


Dollars, Taxes
Ever hear of taxes?
Taxes wont begin to cover it.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Message 8 of 271 (879043)
07-10-2020 1:41 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
07-10-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Have you seen the list of big banks and mega corps that pulled in hundreds of billions of dollars from the stimulus package? And we seem to find excuses to do this give away every decade or so.
If we can afford to throw hundreds of billions of dollars at highly profitable international banks and businesses every few years then we can afford to alter our priorities to fund neglected humane needs.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Phat
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Message 9 of 271 (879046)
07-10-2020 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by AZPaul3
07-10-2020 1:41 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
But its all a ponzi scheme. Some suggest that the real debt that hangs over our head is closer to 90 trillion than 22 trillion. And whether true or not, the point is that we already have to pay a large chunk of our taxes merely to fund this insane debt. We are in a recession...more heading towards a depression...man are unemployed and the idea that we the middle(working class) should have to dig deeper in our already scare pockets to fund increased taxes in order to help the humane social programs that make up the social safety net wont go over well.
Of course the critics say that we had to bolster the big banks and corporations in order to keep them from collapsing...or else the rich kids would simply gather up all their toys and go home. And to be fair, i'm all for helping out the poor downtrodden masses....particularly in this country--i'm in no hurry to bail out the whole world! Look...even as Christians, we need a certain amount of money to pay our bills--our rents,mortgages, car payments, health care and the idea of milking the middle class consumer to alleviate social crises is necessary yet not gonna be popular.
The Republicans helped small business...they bailed that out....which was and is necessary as many small businesses are on the verge of collapse due to the quarantine. Increasing taxes will help the social safety net, though I honestly think that this whole Ponzi schematic house of cards will in fact implode within ten years. I've been wrong before though....it would be nice to keep the music playing and the masses working. But now Covid-19 is spiking again...and likely will have a third wave.
This type of economic societal future will be one of the main causes for the revival of which I speak. In your guys world view, fear will drive people to irrational religious zealotry, and to an extent I agree---though I honestly think we are in some trying times and as a believer I will always pray more than simply reading the news and being a good little lemming.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Message 10 of 271 (879057)
07-10-2020 3:44 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
07-10-2020 12:55 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:
Taxes wont begin to cover it.
Why not?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 11 of 271 (879070)
07-10-2020 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Phat
07-10-2020 2:10 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
But now Covid-19 is spiking again...and likely will have a third wave.
dude you guys aren't out of your first wave yet

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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Message 12 of 271 (879133)
07-12-2020 1:32 AM


privately prolife
publicly prochoice
?
jesus didn't say to deny him in public.
while I hereby pray for all souls to reach heaven, even Joe's, this is eternal damnation worthy.
Titus 1:16 16They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him. They are detestable, disobedient and unfit for doing anything good.
Matthew 10:33 33But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.
Lord I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and I shall be healed.
If Joe B becomes president Lord, convert his heart to your Word, Lord, that he may boldly proclaim and legislate Prolife, before he reaches you
Edited by a servant of Christ, : No reason given.

  
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Message 13 of 271 (879134)
07-12-2020 1:55 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by ringo
07-10-2020 3:44 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
ringo writes:
Why not?
First of all, it makes little sense to fund future stimulus checks by raising taxes. We pay out as much or more than we would recoup through a stimulus check. Second of all, those of us who are ourselves in the next to lowest quadrant of economic earnings dont have room to pay higher taxes. Perhaps the 2nd quadrant could afford it...we all know the 1st quadrant earns the lions share of profits and could well afford higher taxes but for some reason you have never favored taxing anyone but the working class itself. And i'm here to tell you right now that at least in my case I barely have $3,000.00 a year left over after paying all my bills and usually that too gets used. Were they to take that profit for increased taxes, I would actually fare worse. I do need to save aside something for retirement, though I doubt if I can reach my goal of one years earnings saved aside.
The point is that increasing taxes is not going to cover the needs that the masses require and its silly anyway seeing as the government has traditionally bailed out big business more so than the little people.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

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Message 14 of 271 (879142)
07-12-2020 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Phat
07-12-2020 1:55 AM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:
First of all, it makes little sense to fund future stimulus checks by raising taxes. We pay out as much or more than we would recoup through a stimulus check.
Stimulus checks aren't intended to make a profit. They're intendrd to stimulate. Stimulate economic activity --> more tax revenue.
Phat writes:
Second of all, those of us who are ourselves in the next to lowest quadrant of economic earnings dont have room to pay higher taxes.
Tell it to those of us in the lowest quadrant.
Phat writes:
And i'm here to tell you right now that at least in my case I barely have $3,000.00 a year left over after paying all my bills and usually that too gets used.
So you could pay extra taxes on that $3,000. I have to spend everything I make.
Phat writes:
Were they to take that profit for increased taxes, I would actually fare worse.
Some people already do fare worse.
Phat writes:
The point is that increasing taxes is not going to cover the needs that the masses require....
I don't know why you're so desparate to hoist yourself above the masses.
The masses can take care of themselves as long as they have an economic environment that lets them do it.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 15 of 271 (879202)
07-12-2020 8:46 PM


it must suck to be joe biden
the only thing he values in his life beside the material scams he can sell out the country for
is his catholic faith
yet when he's in a pew or looking in the mirror
or kneeling as the host is lifted on high
you know he knows enough about the faith to know
he's in a state of mortal sin
every time he takes the host from the priest
he has been discredited and defrauded
he is the man who sold the world
he is the ultimate hypocrite
and he knows he is
how can you take the host
when you know you're in a state of mortal sin?
i have and let me tell you
it's more gutting than getting dropped out of airplane without a parachute
for a catholic, to receive a consecrated host, is the pinnacle of life,
and yet joe's tainted, because he has bowed to the abortionists, the killers
and christ is watching
and he's with me right now
and he's with joe
but how long will he put up with you joe?
you're getting old and senile
you're number at the deli counter is approaching
and planned parenthood endorsed u
and what is jesus going to say to u
you have made a mockery of the seat of peter
and now tonight i will dedicate my rosary to u
u did used to support the hyde act
before the eugenicists forced your feeble hand
by god, joe!
you're catholic!
you were supposed to be BETTER than donald
donald is not in the word
he's stupid
he holds the bible upside down
but he's on jesus's pick-up team and he has the ball
because you live like a pharisee
and denied christ
Edited by a servant of Christ, : No reason given.

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