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Phat Member Posts: 14965 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
I recently was shown by my sister why it is so important that Trump not get back in.
Social Security Cuts Could Happen in 3 Years If Trump's Payroll Tax Break Is Made Permanent. quote: If this is part of the Republican Agenda, I wont support it. I need social security or else I will be the homeless guy asking for spare change! "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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jar Member Posts: 33184 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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Absolutely true. And ending Social Security has been on the Republican Wish List since Ronald the traitor Reagan.
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Phat Member Posts: 14965 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
How on earth would they take care of the boomers? Are they focused only on the millenial tax base that will guarantee payments on their interest from the debt into perpetuity?
Ive said it before. This whole system is due to collapse. The dollar will be done in 5 years. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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jar Member Posts: 33184 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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Why would the rich care about taking care of anyone other than themselves?
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Taq Member Posts: 8470 Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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An anti-socialist Republican afraid of socialism going away. Wow!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4429 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Social Security was created as an anti-poverty program. My understanding of the history is that support for the elderly and disabled was supplied by their extended families (eg, such as existed in farm families), but that social safety net was untangling through a combination of shifting demographics (the predominantly rural US population was moving to the cities, a trend which greatly accelerated in many parts of the world after WWII), farm failures and foreclosures, savings and investments lost in the Crash and the bank failures and the Depression, etc. So Social Security was created to alleviate that problem. Medicare was created in 1965. Both programs are supported solely through payroll taxes completely independent on any other taxes plus the expenses of these programs are not part of the general budget and do not have any effect on the deficit. And yet the Republicans keep trying to kill these programs (including making such massive cuts in benefits and payroll taxes as to effectively kill them). When Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan frequently railed against and tried to cut these "entitlement programs" (primarily Social Security and Medicare). Right after the Great Republican Tax Scam of 2017, both Ryan and McConnell started freaking out in public over this enormous deficit that we were "suddenly" faced with and both called out for massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare in order to reduce that deficit -- remember that both programs are self-funded and have almost absolutely nothing to do with the deficit*.
Now for the typically Republican self-serving money-grubbing. At a monthly skeptics breakfast (which we've been doing through ZOOM for six months now), one guest was a corporate financial officer (CFO) so I asked him about payroll taxes, specifically how much of is matched by the company. He told me that the company matches each employee's FICA contribution 100% (these payroll taxes are listed on your pay stub either separately as Social Security and Medicare or combined as Federal Insurance Contributions Act tax (FICA) ). That means that when the employee pays 6.2% to FICA (as per your quoted source, though another source below says 7.65%) then the company also pays that same percentage of your pay. And it does that for each and every employee, which adds up quickly. If you're a large company with hundreds of employees, that can be a lot to pay. If you're a major employer with thousands of employees, then that's easily millions of dollars that you, the cold-blooded capitalist only interested in showing more profit, would love to be able to instead move into the profit column. So why are the Republicans trying to kill Social Security and Medicare? For purely ideological reasons? If the GOP in the Time of Trump has taught us nothing else, it's that they have no ideology but rather its all about seizing and holding power and money. The big money donors who have bought those politicians want to see FICA go away, so that's what they push for and that's what their politicians push for. That fact that many millions will end up in poverty means nothing to them just so long as they can show a larger profit in the next quarter. Trump won't do anything unless he will profit from it personally or politically. In the MICE list of ways to recruit and manage espionage assets (Money, Ideology, Coercion, Ego), they will have hooked Trump on money and ego (he has zero ideology and he has no shame so the only coercion they can exert on him would be financial or exposing his criminal and potentially traitorous acts). Since he refused to place his holdings in a blind trust, Trump knows full well which contracts, tax cuts, etc would benefit himself financially and so those are what he pushes or signs in by fiat. By deferring payroll taxes, Trump stands to personally benefit from millons of dollars in tax cuts. And if he can get reelected, then he can avoid ever paying those deferred taxes back. That's the bottom line: money. Whenever the GOP or Trump are involved, always follow the money.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4429 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2
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Another such anti-socialist Republican afraid of socialism going away is Walmart (hey, corporations are people too, right?). I gleaned this from a radio interview with Ralph Nader a few years ago. Walmart, one of the most hard-core capitalists around, depends entirely on socialism in the form of direct local government support and social programs. When they move into a town, they get concessions from the local county and city governments to get cuts in business taxes and other incentives to open there. Then they depend on state and local welfare programs. Part of new employee training is how to fill out applications for food stamps and other welfare programs. Nobody is allowed to work enough hours a week in order for the company to keep from providing medical or other worker benefits, so not only do workers get no benefits, but they also make much less because they have to work fewer hours at minimum wage -- I don't know whether that also helps Walmart avoid payroll taxes. If social programs (what they call "socialism") were to go away, Walmart could not operate in the US as it does. And yet the Walmart stores in Canada, where they cannot get away with that crap and where workers must be paid decent wages, are making a profit just fine.
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Trump won ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 30 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Yes, catholic dogma to oppose death penalty
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Trump won ![]() Suspended Member (Idle past 30 days) Posts: 1928 Joined: |
Fat if you're flirting with the idea of voting for Biden, please remember that is mortal sin voting for joe Biden and because you have not received the sacrament of reconciliation you will very likely go to hell for voting for joe Biden I'm just letting you know as a friend
Maybe presumptuous to say such a thing actually because because you're not catholic you're not gonna be held to the same standard as us but It is grave sin to vote for joe Biden so will harm your soul 1 way or another Edited by proudly roman catholic, : No reason given.
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ramoss Member Posts: 3202 Joined: |
No, he won't. There is no hell. That is a pagan myth that Christians adopted.
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jar Member Posts: 33184 From: Texas!! Joined: Member Rating: 4.3
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But it certainly has been a money maker, particularly for Roman Catholics and Evangelicals.
There's gold in them thar pockets!
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dwise1 Member Posts: 4429 Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
And yet voting for The Beast (AKA Trump) and through him for the Anti-Christ (arguably Putin) will help get you into heaven? Really? I thought you told us that Catholics are also taught about those things (ie, Revelation and End Times), so how could you be so gravely mistaken? Screw Russia and Putin's puppets! Vote for America! Edited by dwise1, : And Putin's little dog too!
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Taq Member Posts: 8470 Joined: Member Rating: 6.0
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Poe's law is in full force.
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Phat Member Posts: 14965 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: |
Does that mean that all non-Catholics who vote for Biden will go to Hell? Just sayin....
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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Tangle Member Posts: 8071 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.4
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Catholics believe that all non-catholics are going to hell. Sorry Phat, you're fucked regardless. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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