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ringo
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Message 91 of 141 (880159)
07-30-2020 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 89 by Sarah Bellum
07-30-2020 9:31 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum writes:

Of course this article is overall quite favorable to Vice President Biden, so he may be able to persuade voters to ignore his record.


It isn't about ignoring his record. It's about comparing his record to Trump's. And Trump has a record AS PRESIDENT too. We don't know what effect Biden's flaws would have on his presidency. We DO know what effect Trump's flaws HAVE HAD on his presidency and likely WOULD HAVE on a second term. With Biden, at least we know he is capable of changing.

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Message 92 of 141 (880165)
07-30-2020 10:02 AM
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07-30-2020 9:35 AM


You don't think writing (https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=msg&m=880033#m880033)
quote:
They're idiots for considering Trump.
might be a bit off-putting?

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 93 of 141 (880166)
07-30-2020 10:06 AM
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07-30-2020 9:44 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
So your argument is that Vice President Biden said a bunch of stuff in the past but now he's changed his mind and will do something different and that's why we should vote for him?

You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking."

Wouldn't you?


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ringo
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Message 94 of 141 (880167)
07-30-2020 10:09 AM
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07-30-2020 10:02 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

You don't think writing

quote:
They're idiots for considering Trump.

might be a bit off-putting?

To many of the people who read my posts, that would be pretty mild. Anybody who is off-put by it was probably going to vote for Trump anyway.

You sound like the fat man who's offended when people notice that he's fat.


"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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ringo
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Message 95 of 141 (880169)
07-30-2020 10:14 AM
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07-30-2020 10:06 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum writes:

So your argument is that Vice President Biden said a bunch of stuff in the past but now he's changed his mind and will do something different and that's why we should vote for him?


No. My argument is that you should vote for him because he isn't Trump.

Sarah Bellum writes:

You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking."


But we don't know that Trump can change. We're pretty sure he can't.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 96 of 141 (880170)
07-30-2020 10:21 AM
Reply to: Message 93 by Sarah Bellum
07-30-2020 10:06 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sarah Bellum, addressing ringo writes:

You'd laugh at me if I told you to vote for Trump if I said, "He can change, in his second term he'll do things in ways more to your liking."

Wouldn't you?

I was with some of my Charismaniac Christian friends last night. Lots of them believe that Trump was prophesied to get a second term. They claim that the prophecy essentially says that Trump"whispers the name of Jesus" in his first term and will end up "shouting the name of Jesus" in his second term.

The main reason that "they" don't like Biden is because they essentially see the entire Leftist platform as being secular humanist, atheist, unrealistic(as in "where will the money come from?) and probably quite simply due to the fact that Biden will support Palestine as much as Israel, if not more. I really dont know what he thinks about abortion, but that will figure in big too.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 97 of 141 (880177)
07-30-2020 11:18 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by ringo
07-12-2020 10:05 AM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:

First of all, it makes little sense to fund future stimulus checks by raising taxes. We pay out as much or more than we would recoup through a stimulus check.


nOK I'll go with that. I look at money as a giant game of musical chairs. The music needs to keep playing in order for the money to have value for everyone. If the music stops, only the top quadrents will have anything worth saving..(real estate, material goods, gold, and perhaps armed security which they will have to pay)
Phat writes:

Second of all, those of us who are ourselves in the next to lowest quadrant of economic earnings dont have room to pay higher taxes.


ringo writes:

Tell it to those of us in the lowest quadrant.

We have had this argument before. Your inner socialist knows that he cant get money out of the proliteriat any more than blood out of a turnip so he wants the rest of us to become comrades.

Phat writes:

And i'm here to tell you right now that at least in my case I barely have $3,000.00 a year left over after paying all my bills and usually that too gets used.


ringo writes:

So you could pay extra taxes on that $3,000. I have to spend everything I make.

And if Biden gets in, likely so will I. Why should I become a fellow comrade?

Phat writes:

Were they to take that profit for increased taxes, I would actually fare worse.


ringo writes:

Some people already do fare worse.

I know. I see it every day. The next 6 months will be tough. I've already whined about the stealing going on at my store. I prayed about it and God basically told me to pray for them(the thieves) and to not try and be an authoritarian cop. Unless I wanted to be an armed security guard working for some rich guy.

Phat writes:

The point is that increasing taxes is not going to cover the needs that the masses require....


ringo writes:

I don't know why you're so desperate to hoist yourself above the masses.

Because the masses are not doing so well right now. Why the heck should I be poor just because the comrades want me to join them? This whole global game of money sucks. We all need Jesus. The humanist kum-ba-yah crowd wont make a better world in and of themselves. Everyone will simply be forced to join together in some weird societal communion that has no head. A headless beast.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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jar
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Message 98 of 141 (880178)
07-30-2020 11:34 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
07-30-2020 11:18 AM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:

Because the masses are not doing so well right now. Why the heck should I be poor just because the comrades want me to join them? This whole global game of money sucks. We all need Jesus. The humanist kum-ba-yah crowd wont make a better world in and of themselves. Everyone will simply be forced to join together in some weird societal communion that has no head. A headless beast.

Please provide the evidence to show anyone needs Jesus or that Jesus ever did anything for anyone.


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Phat
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Message 99 of 141 (880185)
07-30-2020 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by jar
07-30-2020 11:34 AM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
jar writes:

Please provide the evidence to show anyone needs Jesus or that Jesus ever did anything for anyone.


You should be ashamed to call yourself a believer. You don't have a clue. And thats sad.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.”- Francis A. Schaeffer

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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ringo
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Message 100 of 141 (880187)
07-30-2020 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
07-30-2020 11:18 AM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:

If the music stops, only the top quadrents will have anything worth saving..(real estate, material goods, gold, and perhaps armed security which they will have to pay)


As long as the top quadrants buy stuff, they'll be paying people to make stuff, take orders for stuff, deliver stuff and yes, guard stuff. The money never stops moving.

Phat writes:

Your inner socialist knows that he cant get money out of the proliteriat any more than blood out of a turnip so he wants the rest of us to become comrades.


Nonsense. Everybody pays taxes.

Phat writes:

Why should I become a fellow comrade?


Why not?
quote:
Luke 12:48 For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Phat writes:

Why the heck should I be poor just because the comrades want me to join them?


The comrades won't make you poor. It's the rich who will do that, the anti-comrades.

Phat writes:

The humanist kum-ba-yah crowd wont make a better world in and of themselves.


We already have.

Phat writes:

Everyone will simply be forced to join together in some weird societal communion...


Yes, that's what Jesus taught.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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jar
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Message 101 of 141 (880194)
07-30-2020 1:07 PM
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07-30-2020 12:17 PM


Re: Dollars, Taxes
Phat writes:

jar writes:

Please provide the evidence to show anyone needs Jesus or that Jesus ever did anything for anyone.


You should be ashamed to call yourself a believer. You don't have a clue. And thats sad.

And once again instead of presenting any evidence or even any reasoned argument you just get your panties in a wad and stomp your foot.


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Message 102 of 141 (880216)
07-31-2020 1:49 AM


i have never loathed a politician as much as I loathe joe b.

well if bernie was the nominee, thank god he isn't.

the universe must be balancing itself out
\
we found the seediest guy in the world to do god's bidding

now you guys have this punchable paul newman whitetoothed lookalike newmans own, obama owned, idiot.

thanks obama.


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ringo
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Message 103 of 141 (880234)
07-31-2020 9:28 AM
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07-31-2020 1:49 AM


a Servant of Christ writes:

i have never loathed a politician as much as I loathe joe b.


God is loathe.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Sarah Bellum
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Message 104 of 141 (880237)
07-31-2020 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by ringo
07-30-2020 10:09 AM


On the other hand, of course, going up to someone like, say, Representative Jerry Nadler, and saying, "Hey, you're fat!" (even though I suspect he knows he is) would indeed be insulting, and wouldn't help to persuade him to your point of view.

I do like the "probably" in your post, though. Does that mean you think I might vote for Vice President Biden, but you think yourself incapable of persuading me, so you stick to nice, comfortable insults?


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Message 105 of 141 (880239)
07-31-2020 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by ringo
07-30-2020 10:14 AM


Re: The enemy of my enemy IS my friend?
Sigh.

The last few elections haven't been very inspiring, have they? With the dominant slogan of, "Vote for Schmuck B, just because she (or he) isn't Schmuck A."


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