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Message 1 of 138 (879936)
07-26-2020 8:34 AM


Months ago when COVID 19 was just arriving in America, there were forecasts of a probable "Great Depression" level of unemployment and that aside from 30% unemployment we would face a struggling economy for many years. Just over a month ago, this came out in the news:
"Its Official: The Recession Is Here, But Is Likely To Be Brief".
I suspect that the media is being manipulated to a degree as to how tyhey choose to word the stories and the effect on morale for the general population.
Now, the big news appears to be another round of "stimulus checks".
My question is basically this: It does not take a rocket scientist (nor an economist) to see what is going on. We are in a giant game of musical chairs. As long as everybody keeps playing, the money keeps moving. Once the music stops, however...perhaps 5 out of 25 people will even have a chair to sit on (or money in their pocket). I dont know what magic bag of tricks the Federal Reserve has at their disposal nor the Treasury, but I am no dummy...when you "create 3 trillion dollars out of thin air, the repercussions will reverberate. As our Uncle Jar says, "The Bill Will Get Paid."
And at another level, as long as Global Confidence remains toward the US Dollar, that music keeps playing also...but what on earth would occur should the other nations want to pen their hopes on another currency? Or two or three? And what if someone like Trump wants to pull the dollar out of that consensus? So many what if's. I confess I have anxiety over money and security.
I already showed everyone the protests in Denver and I see the repercussions of expanded unemployment and homelessness at my store, where two thousand a day goes out the door by shoplifting. It is only getting worse, and what irks me is that these people could care less about my needs as an employee. The hours are getting cut and i'm mad quite frankly. I feel as if the police need to be strengthened and not defunded.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killosophy

  
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Message 2 of 138 (879937)
07-26-2020 8:58 AM


Remembering An Earlier Debt Default EvC Topic
The following comments were made in an earlier topic. United States Debt Default. I notice then that we were talking when the debt was officially around 14 trillion dollars.
Straggler: Message 1 (Topic Starter}
jars comment back then:
jar writes:
Realistic possibilities.
The current revenue inflow is sufficient to cover interest payments on the debt so even if the Debt Limit is not raised, default in the short term is not likely.
If the Debt Limit doesn't get raised, the short term impact would be on the poor, the ill, the unemployed and those on Social Security. The rich, those working and those with streams of income not related to Social Security would likely see little short term effects. It's likely that US Postal services would stop and the payments to military, Social Security retirees, those on Federal Welfare and Federal unemployment extensions would suffer almost immediately.
The Postal services will get picked up by alternative carriers and so they would benefit.
State economies would take a hit since the funds paid to the unemployed, those people on Social Security retirement benefits and those receiving Medicare benefits almost all gets spent locally.
Taq writes:
It doesn't have to happen in the long or short term. If the debt ceiling is raised in the short term and the debt is brought down to reasonable levels over the next 10 to 20 years then there is no problem.
AZPaul3 writes:
So true. But that would require fiscal discipline on the part of several consecutive congresses. I am not optimistic.
And then an onimous post by xongsmith:
xongsmith in 2011 writes:
It's the filthy disgusting greedy rich corporate bastards that have all their lackeys running the government and have positioned their most effective criminals (all the big Republican shitholes and some of the Democrat shitholes) in political office. They refuse to give up their heinously constructed tax breaks and instead want to fuck over the people of the USA even more than they already are, as they wage wars around the globe, raping, torturing, exterminating everything they find in sight.
I can only earnestly hope that, somehow, some horrible new painful irreversible disease hits the world that is extremely infectious only to those people who would agree with their psychotic mindset as they arrive while the rest of us are immune.

Several points:
  • Current US Debt: As of May 1, 2020 federal debt held by the public was $19.05 trillion and intragovernmental holdings were $5.9 trillion, for a total national debt of $24.95 trillion.
  • Nobody is quibbling about spending. The debt limit is getting raised to provide stimulus.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Phat
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    Message 5 of 138 (879941)
    07-26-2020 9:53 AM
    Reply to: Message 4 by jar
    07-26-2020 9:26 AM


    Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    jar writes:
    "fool!"
    I realize that we are going through trying times. Heck, that darn hurricane is just another added expense that must be paid.
    But you always tell me that I dont think through the implications of things. I know that the government is trying to keep everybody as comfortable as possible. Im just worried that the eventual bill will be so big that virtually everyone will be responsible for it...which is currently over $400,000.00 per person. How do you honestly think that we will all get out of that? Aside from hyperinflation.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Phat
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    Message 7 of 138 (879945)
    07-26-2020 10:05 AM
    Reply to: Message 6 by jar
    07-26-2020 10:02 AM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    jar writes:
    Until we stop the really stupid Law & Order Crap all we will do is make life worse.
    But then that seems to be what you want.
    I just want the flagrant anarchy to stop. Its spelled out quite plainly in the 10 commandments. Don't steal. And yet these social welfare misfits seem to think its their entitlement.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 9 of 138 (879948)
    07-26-2020 10:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 8 by jar
    07-26-2020 10:10 AM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    im griping about their sense of entitlement not mine. I work for what i get and the behavior of the masses threatens to pull more of us overboard.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 12 of 138 (879954)
    07-26-2020 2:17 PM
    Reply to: Message 10 by PaulK
    07-26-2020 10:40 AM


    May The Music Never Stop
    PaulK writes:
    I’m sure that a lot of the people you want moved on aren’t thieves and would love the opportunity to work for a living.
    jar writes:
    Correct; YOUR entitlement is jess fine. Got it!
    OK, OK I see both of your points. I am a whiner and a spoiled (old)brat. But I think that what scares me about the possibility of a Great Depression is the idea that any one of us could become homeless and on the streets just as these people are. And that scares me. I'm too old to fight for my spot. I'm too old to even be able to get as strong as I want to get.
    Of course my daily prayers help a lot--people can laugh at my "invisible friend" but He is very real to me and I want you guys to know that He won't let me be too selfish or authoritarian, yet He may have to take care of this old man at some point. This whole ideological resolve to get back to the Democratic ideals may well not work when the country is virtually and practically broke. Unless, of course the music continues to play---both globally and nationally. The money itself says it: In God We Trust. The reality, however, in an economic sense is that it is the perceived value of the money that we must trust in, for without that, all we have is a lot of green toilet paper.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 18 of 138 (879990)
    07-27-2020 1:00 PM
    Reply to: Message 17 by nwr
    07-26-2020 5:17 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    All I know is that the $600.00 a week unemployment that recently ended was paying people more money than I make---after 15 years at the same job. I get mad when people expect something for nothing and steal on top of all that. I see it everyday...people stuffing duffel bags FULL of merchandise and waltzing out the door. Granted some of them need to steal, but the ones I get mad at make it a livelihood. They literally come steal on the last day of the month so they can "pay" rent.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 21 of 138 (881133)
    08-18-2020 2:32 PM


    The Great Reckoning
    I was at the Doctors office this morning and picked up an old Time Magazine dated May 18th, 2020. The Title on the cover was The Great Reckoning--More Americans are unemployed than at any time since the Depression. So I brought the magazine home and find myself obsessed with all of these stories that mention long overdue social change...which I will comment on here as I read them.
    We truly are venturing farther in to this Great Depression that no one talks about, even though everyone talks about it on some level as to how it has impacted them personally. Of course, many of the Biblical Christians I know are proclaiming the End Times, though I am more measured and optimistic (believe it or not) in that I feel that God wants us all to learn to get along and love each other before He would hypothetically accept us en mass into a new era in a new place. And for the secular humanists out there, the earth is all we have and future consensus surely must involve humanities unified agreement on that issue rather than on what they would call a hypothetical Heaven.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

      
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    Message 25 of 138 (881146)
    08-18-2020 4:05 PM
    Reply to: Message 23 by jar
    08-18-2020 3:30 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    Now here you go calling Hyroglyphix stupid! Perhaps that is how you were taught to argue on that porch long ago....I've no clue.
    One of the root causes that I see of shoplifting is this sense of entitlement that all people now seem to have. Everybody wants the good life, yet not everyone can have it...for a variety of reasons.
    What angers me is that they cheat in order to achieve the social and financial level that I worked to get. They are not playing the game fairly. Ringo may argue that socialism would solve this problem, but i'm less optimistic about basic human nature.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 26 of 138 (881147)
    08-18-2020 4:09 PM
    Reply to: Message 24 by Hyroglyphx
    08-18-2020 4:02 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    Jar, it's not hard to pull up every reply you've ever made to Phat, and usually only Phat in the absence of Faith, but it's more than an opinion. What do you have against the guy? He's a pretty nice guy, I don't understand why you are so hard on him.
    Personally I think he feels that by goading me its a form of slapping me with the verbal glove and challenging me to think rather than explode back at him in anger. Of course it could be entirely possible that he does not like me in regards to my world view. No matter...jar is like the eccentric Uncle that the family visits for a good conversation yet does not particularly feel warm and accepted at his Texas Manor.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 32 of 138 (881218)
    08-20-2020 7:15 AM
    Reply to: Message 31 by ringo
    08-19-2020 9:00 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    Investopedia writes:
    The main goal of socialism is to narrow, but not totally remove, the gap between the rich and the poor. The government, through its agencies and policies, takes the responsibility to redistribute production and wealth, making the society fairer and leveled.
    This is where ringo and I argue. I would argue that its not fair to level the playing field if I am deemed to make more than the overall fair average. I am in just the wrong spot. The average wage in the retail industry is roughly $15.00 an hour. Many people are currently unemployed, which drives up demand for jobs and lowers the overall acceptable wage. Thus, people would do what I do for less than what I am getting paid. Yet I am NOT rich. All I am trying to do is save my modest surplus, (roughly $500.00 a month) be able to accumulate enough money to retire and supplement my modest expected social security, estimated at around $1200.00 a month. Inflation is looming on the horizon though, and the whole system threatens to destabilize.
    Honestly, I think that it is a good thing that we are attempting to level this inflation globally so that the entire world can help pay the bill rather than that the bill be saddled on the US working class. This is where the Republicans get their power and influence and I for one support it in that I refuse to be saddled with the bill while the rest of the socialist market economics of the rest of the world takes the spots that were once occupied by my people. Does that make sense or am I missing a key analytic in this global economy?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Phat
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    Message 38 of 138 (881306)
    08-21-2020 10:33 PM
    Reply to: Message 35 by ringo
    08-20-2020 12:45 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    ringo writes:
    It was American stupidity that hardened Castro's line and forced him into the Soviet camp. But of course you couldn't risk the possibility of actual socialism working on your doorstep.
    It sure didnt work in the Soviet Union. Now we are faced with Cold War II and some experts say that the Communist Chinese government might win this one. Don't you see why this is a threat to the ubiquitous American Dream? I will admit that the American Dream is out of reach of all but the class right above mine. I see examples of people succeeding in lower economic quadrants, but they are apparantly happy with about what I have...and raising families on it to boot!
    The dissidents that Hyro likely met in Miami were onetime small business owners who got wrecked when Castro took over. That's what Trump wants to prevent happening here. We are not simply going to let every liberal protesting on the streets and demanding their stimulus check...which just kicks the proverbial can further along get free handouts which we must then make up for through higher taxes and working harder.
    We dont want to raise the poor up to the same level and thus have to give up our ambition and settle for the same thing they get. If they cant hustle and compete, they are not gonna make the government support them. (except for me...I'm old and need my social security checks. But I have an excuse.)
    See the extremes I am stuck between?

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 40 of 138 (881316)
    08-22-2020 5:13 AM
    Reply to: Message 39 by DrJones*
    08-21-2020 11:47 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    I realize that I am ranting and that I am not representing Jesus very well whenever I do so. Thanks for making the point, however.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 44 of 138 (881341)
    08-22-2020 2:30 PM
    Reply to: Message 42 by ringo
    08-22-2020 12:53 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    Yeah but the Left Wing is dominated by atheists, witches, all sorts of Trans Sexual paganism, Greta, and assorted humanist tree huggers. You guys have your own version of Armageddon, scientifically backed by global warming. The nations may end up fighting over that too.
    I don't trust human nature nor do I trust the "other" spirit.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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    Message 51 of 138 (881518)
    08-25-2020 6:04 AM
    Reply to: Message 50 by ringo
    08-24-2020 12:31 PM


    Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
    People fled America largely due to ideological (political reasons). My sister swore that if Trump were elected she would move to Canada. She never did, because with the mess she has it would have taken her 3 years just to prepare for the move.
    People fled to Canada to avoid the draft back in your youth. Canada is a more efficient system than America, particularly in regards to healthcare. Its smaller in population too. I dont need to tell you that its a nice place to live.
    The people that talked to Hyroglyphix about the horrors of Cuba were likely small business owners that had just had their livelihood snatched from them to be distributed among the poor impoverished masses. I would have been mad too!
    Cuban American Maximo Alvarez Warns Against Socialism
    Dont you guys get it?
    To jar: The Bill Will Get Paid under a democratic agenda. Do you really claim to be an Eisenhower Republican and not see the damage that will befall the middle class?
    To ringo: Though you claim that the Socialists will do what Jesus advocated, I'm not convinced. Jesus does not want all of us at the same economic level. The fact that you have claimed to have never made as much money as I earn in your entire life...and the fact that I am not even middle class...says a lot.
    To Hyroglypix: Im thinking that we all will be better off under the Republicans. The Democratic agenda is too liberal and in line with the global socialism pushed by the CCP. America is not ready to roll over and give up yet. May God judge us fairly.
    Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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    We must realize that the Reformation world view leads in the direction of government freedom. But the humanist world view with inevitable certainty leads in the direction of statism. This is so because humanists, having no god, must put something at the center, and it is inevitably society, government, or the state.- Francis A. Schaeffer
    The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
    - Criss Jami, Killosophy

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