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Hyroglyphx
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Message 22 of 138 (881137)
08-18-2020 3:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by jar
07-26-2020 10:02 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
LOL
Stop believing in the idiots you follow. It really is that simple.
Everything Phat says is idiotic to you, to the point where you feel the need to publicly belittle and humiliate him. Its more than obvious. I've been quietly watching it for years. The question is, why? He's been very cordial to you over the years but you perpetually brow-beat him and berate him. Like a disapproving father... nothing is ever good enough. Tsk, tsk, tsk... sad.
No problem gets solved by using violent suppression. Even World War II was finally solved by negotiation and by addressing the needs of the people for food, clothing, shelter, dignity.
Explain.
Adding more police will never address any of the causes for shoplifting.
That's right, cuz the root cause of shoplifting is shitty ethics... don't feed me some bullshit about "hunger" or "inequality." This is America. Nobody goes hungry. 1/3 of the entire population is on some form of government assistance. If you took a tally of all the things stolen, the majority would be cosmetics, video games, beer, etc not diapers and baby formula. I know, its so heart-warming to think shoplifters are doing it to survive, but they do it because they think they can get away with it and don't give a shit about other people. It opportunism, Jar. Or do you really think looters are out there stealing powdered milk for their children?
Until we stop the really stupid Law & Order Crap all we will do is make life worse.
Then if less is necessarily better then get rid of police altogether. Everything will just kind of fall in place. Just because CHOP/CHAZ immediately devolved into Mogadishu doesn't mean it would happen everywhere. Lets experiment and see which society flourishes and which society devolves into tribal warfare run by the single ethic of 'might = right.'

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 24 of 138 (881144)
08-18-2020 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
08-18-2020 3:30 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
You are welcome to hold any opinion regardless of how utterly stupid and false it might be.
Jar, it's not hard to pull up every reply you've ever made to Phat, and usually only Phat in the absence of Faith, but it's more than an opinion. What do you have against the guy? He's a pretty nice guy, I don't understand why you are so hard on him.
But getting rid of the Law & Order crap does not mean that police may not have some value. The Law & Order crap is truly stupid stuff like the war on drugs and militarization of police and failure to fund and address root causes and expecting police to function as social workers and forgetting that the police goal is actually to Serve & Protect.
I doubt that is what you meant since Phat specifically referenced shoplifting... That's hardly relatable to anything you outline, but for the sake of a good argument lets tackle it. The War on Drugs is a failure that I won't dispute. Legalize drugs and it will bleed cartels dry. The militarization was in wake of the LA bank robbery where two men were able to kill and critically injure hundreds of officers because they were out-gunned. The reality is that Bear Cats and M4's make sense for police officers to have. I think the whole 'militarization' is really overblown. Tanks? Landmines? Claymores? Bazookas? Okay, a bridge too far.
But as I said, you are free to remain as willfully stupid as you wish.
You know it turns me on when you talk dirty to me

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 28 of 138 (881151)
08-18-2020 4:45 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Phat
08-18-2020 4:05 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
What angers me is that they cheat in order to achieve the social and financial level that I worked to get. They are not playing the game fairly. Ringo may argue that socialism would solve this problem, but i'm less optimistic about basic human nature.
Its a farce. If socialism worked the way people like Ringo thinks it works, it would be flat out communism. And if its communism then be prepared for a North Korea. History doesn't have a single example of anything besides that repressive system. People love to cite Sweden or Norway as examples of socialism, but the reality is that they are far more capitalistic than they are collectivists. Volvo and Ikea make money because they operate on a capitalist system. If you think socialists all make the same amount of money, I would to sell you some beach front property in New Mexico

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 30 of 138 (881205)
08-19-2020 3:49 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by DrJones*
08-18-2020 4:42 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
dude the only people who died in the north hollywood shootout were the robbers. And instead of "hundreds" of injured personal it was really 12 officers and 8 civilians.
Since that time, I should say... It was a watershed moment where everything has changed when it comes to how police do things. I suppose one could argue that the Miami FBI shooting in 1986 was more or as much of a watershed moment, but definitely since the North Hollywood shootout have so many people been killed and maimed by being outgunned. It was the time when long guns were part of regular inventory whereas they had to stop at local gun stores just to get that equipment during that event.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 34 of 138 (881235)
08-20-2020 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by ringo
08-19-2020 9:00 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
You don't seem to know what I think.
I've been reading your words for nearly 15 years, I think I have a pretty good idea.
Cuba is an example of a country that the US literally tried to overthrow because of an insane hatred for socialism.
Communism, please stop trying to soften it.
the Castro government was significantly better than the (literally) gangster-ridden dictatorship that it replaced.
I grew up in Miami around thousands of Cubans who all shared the same sentiments and personal stories about the horrors of the Castro regime. My brother-in-law is Cuban. Cuban culture and politics is deeply entrenched into who I am. This is aside from the Cubans that I personally plucked out of the sea who risked life and limb to escape, what, Ringo? Imagine how bad it must be to crudely thatch together oil drums and cross the sea hoping that the currents will take you 90 miles to freedom before you die or starvation, sun exposure, dehydration or dysentary. Look at all the Olympic defectors.... competing for their country and then fleeing to another country. Interesting how it isn't the other way around, well, EVER. The only time an American defects to Cuba is to escape prosecution for murder
What fucking planet do you live on that even in 2020 you would have the balls to try and defend an indisputable failure? You must be so isolated that you actually believe this nonsense. Let it go. Marxism is a sham. It always has been and always will be.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 36 of 138 (881241)
08-20-2020 1:54 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by ringo
08-20-2020 12:45 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
It was American stupidity that hardened Castro's line and forced him into the Soviet camp. But of course you couldn't risk the possibility of actual socialism
How might that have happened?
Sure, if you only listen to one side of the story, you're likely to get a one-sided story.
Ringo, we aren't talking about a handful of defectors.... We are talking about tens of thousands of people over the span of multiple decades so terrified of Fidel and his government that they risked death just to arrive at their own political enemy's doorstep for salvation. And, wow, look at that... They're flourishing.
I know people who fled from Chile after the Americans helped Pinochet overthrow Allende. I know people who fled El Salvador's American-backed death squads.
Wow, people fleeing war zones.... Insane. I'm talking about Americans getting on rafts to flee the US in search of a better way of life in Cuba. How often does that happen because of the awful, repressive American hegemony? You have no argument.
Back to my original point, which you kinda sorta halfway agreed with, the merits of a system can not be judged by how hard somebody tried to destroy the system.
Expound, please.
I didn't say a word about Marxism
You didn't have to.... It doesn't take a meteorologist to know which direction the wind is blowing from.
Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 41 of 138 (881329)
08-22-2020 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by ringo
08-21-2020 12:19 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
You might have given Castro the aid he needed to clean up the mess that Batista and your gangsters left instead of a knee-jerk over-reaction of blind hatred.
Batista was a dictator who was supplanted by a dictator.
Chile was not a war zone.
What does any of it have to do with what I said, that you see Cubans coming to America not the other way around?
In the Trump years we've had refugees crossing into Canada in the dead of winter, losing fingers and toes, to flee the US in search of a better life in Canada.
Yeah, like all the celebrities who vowed to move to Canada after Trump won the election but never went anywhere.
And we've had other waves of refugees from the US.
No take backs!!!! Not sure what that has to do with Cuba but, okay...
Invest billions of dollars for decades to try to bring down the American economy and see what happens. Then claim it failed because it was unworkable from the start
Who are you referring to?
For an unthinking right-wing fanatic, maybe not.
I have mentioned before that Phat is more of a Marxist than I am. He's the one who talks about class struggle. I am no follower of Marx.
Phat doesn't want his hard earned money going to people who contributed nothing to the pot. I suppose that is Marxist, since Stalin threw those who did the same in Gulags!

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 48 of 138 (881446)
08-24-2020 11:20 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by ringo
08-22-2020 1:18 PM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
Batista was out for himself and out for the American gangsters. Castro was out for the people.
Yeah, Castro clung to power until he died and handed over power exclusively to his bloodline and didn't ever open it up to free or democratic voting process because he was "out for the people." Yeah, just a selfless man of the people. The hundreds of thousands of people [political dissidents/enemies] who either fled, were imprisoned or executed knew he was a "man of the people."
You're pretending that people only flee from socialism and I'm pointing out that you're factually wrong.
We were specifically talking about Cuba in relation to America. Americans don't go live in Cuba, Cubans go live in America. What does that tell you about the reality of the situation versus the one you desperately want to believe?
No, like the refugees crossing into Canada in the dead of winter, losing fingers and toes, to flee the US in search of a better life in Canada. Thousands of them
Are you comparing Canada with Cuba??? Canada is a functioning society on par with Australia, New Zealand, Switzerland, etc. And Canadians move to America too, what's your point? Take Seth Rogan back, we don't want him

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 57 of 138 (881578)
08-25-2020 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by jar
08-24-2020 11:34 AM


Re: Perhaps You Can Elaborate?
But American do go to Cuba, despite the fact that the US is still stupidly trying to isolate Cuba, for medical care they could not get in the US until very recently and that the current fascist US government is trying to once again halt.
I agree with lifting the embargo. I don't see why making Cuba even shittier should have ever been the goal. The goal is to introduce the taste of freedom so that they will demand it for themselves/

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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