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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: You didn’t bother to read it, did you?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: According to the story the serpent said that humans would become like God in knowing good and evil. According to the story they did just that, and God himself said so. You have no excuse for not knowing that, so why are you continually disagreeing with the Bible in this point?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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quote: I’d say that you are. What the serpent said in the story - that Adam and Eve would be like God in knowing good and evil - is not a half-truth according to the story itself.
quote: So when you say that the story is not complete you mean that you want to add things to it. Now maybe in your story the serpent told your half truth, but is isn’t in the Bible. So at least have the honesty to admit that you are talking about a story you invented,
quote: We don’t need a theocratic dictatorship.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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I think that I should point out that the major scandal is not the number of child-abusing priests - bad as that is.
The Roman Catholic Church covered up those crimes, protected the guilty and enabled them to repeat their crimes against more children. THAT is the biggest scandal, and it seems to me adequate reason for sanctions against the RCC.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
I will point out that I did not insist on ruinous sanctions, only that sanctions were justified.
And indeed, the United States did act appallingly against the Native Americans in many ways - the scale of reparations is a question to be answered but certainly it can be considered just that there should be some.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2
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I have three comments to make.
First, there is no adequate evidential or logical case against an infinite regress. I can manage better (but not decisive) arguments against a Creator God. Nevertheless I do not accept an infinite regress, or that everything came from nothing (in the absolute sense of ‘nothing ‘). Second, it is a huge step from a First Cause to a Creator, and almost as big a step from a generic Creator to the specific Gods proposed by human religions. I have seen attempts to bridge the first gap, but they are sadly inadequate. Third, as best we can tell the only minds we know of are dependent on matter - indeed on complex organised matter. It does not make sense to argue that mind proceeded matter unless we can establish that a non-material mind can exist, and exist in a way that would permit it to exist prior to matter. That has not been done.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Oh come on, you’re enjoying it, pretending to be a Catholic so Catholicism gets the blame for your vile behaviour.
quote: There is serious discussion here. The fact that you run away from it says plenty about you, but nothing about this forum.
quote: You are flattering yourself. Your nastiness is only human, no matter what you think.
quote: Well you’re working a lot harder for him, but don’t expect payment.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: You’ve already done worse without being banned. And you contribute nothing of value here. And if you are Catholic why on earth would you want to promote a negative image of Catholicism? Why would you post a cartoon paintImg Christians as stupid gullible idiots ?
quote: Nonsense.
quote: So one guy gets a bit carried away in response to your bad behaviour. You are still far worse.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Really? So where can I find serious well-reasoned discussion from you?
quote: Even if pointing out the bad things that Trump is doing were of no value - and it is certainly better than the mindless nastiness you show towards Biden - it is hardly the only thing I post here, even recently, even in the last 24 hours. Should I remind you of where I was seriously arguing against Kleinman’s arrogant bullying? Where you weighed in despite being unable to understand the arguments - complaining that we shouldn’t criticise Kleinman’s posts because he claimed to have published scientific papers (which had very little relevance to the main points of discussion).
quote: To point out that your departure would only improve the forum.
quote: Intelligent and rational conversation is good. So that’s a compliment to the forum.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: You could make the same argument about anything capable of writing the (assumed) code. How could anything so complex and wonderful exist unless it were designed? So I don’t find that a convincing argument, Now we don’t understand the basis of our reality, It operates in ways contrary to our intuitions. Even apparently solid matter is mostly empty space and that’s before we get down to quantum mechanics where things get really strange. But can it be considered to be code? Is it something that was written? Or is it just something - or a collection of things - following it’s inherent nature? How do you tell the difference?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Now see this is just insulting, and untrue.
quote: And more insults instead of rational discussion. You are doing great work illustrating my points.
quote: Percy coded this forum. So far as I can tell there’s no good reason to suppose that anyone coded the universe.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Nobody understands it. And I follow parsimony in assuming the absence of a creator unless and until the evidence warrants it.
quote: My actual position certainly is.
quote: At the levels we usually deal with it isn’t. The complexities are found at the sub-atomic level.
quote: No, I am just unwilling to accept a weak analogy as sufficient argument. Because it is not.
quote: That is an assumption. Leaves are certainly shaped by evolution. Can you show that your squiggly lines would function equally well in the environments where the trees actually live? Can you show that your squiggly lines are a reasonable possibility given the developmental biology and evolutionary history of trees?
quote: That is your opinion, not fact. Though if it were fact it would certainly not depict the coder in a flattering light.
quote: As you have demonstrated, you are just an arrogant little kid shouting insults from his paddle-boat. (Do you even know what hubris means?)
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Then you know that hubris is not a good thing at all. And yet you boast of it.
quote: Funny you say that when you use them so often.
quote: Could they? Perhaps you’d like to back that up.
quote: That is not the same thing at all. The genes don’t get to dictate that squiggly line leaves must work. They just get to build leaves and those that work better have an advantage that make them more likely to be passed on to future generations.
quote: It’s an assumption that there is a why beyond the how. Until that can be shown there is nothing to overlook.
quote: The evidence is consistent with there being no who who created our code. So it’s an unnecessary assumption, and that is something nobody needs to be concerned with.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Again, that’s an assumption.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Humans aren’t any of those, nor are trees. Why don’t you go away and actually come back with a rational argument that takes the evidence into account?
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