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youwerecreatedbyjc
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Message 181 of 294 (882067)
09-10-2020 4:03 AM
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09-10-2020 3:08 AM


Re:

no lie i was looking up a lawsuit between microsoft and ernie ball co. and this popped up

what are the chances heh

i hope one day you get to agape tangle


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Message 182 of 294 (882068)
09-10-2020 4:45 AM
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09-10-2020 4:03 AM


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CC writes:

I hope one day you get to agape tangle

Given that I'm an atheist not a sadomasochist, you can give up that hope right now.

So, when are you going to tell Phat that the god that loves him is going to send him to hell to be punished in everlasting fire for the sins of his fathers?

quote:
Pope Eugene IV in the Bull Cantate Domino (1441), using the same terms as St Fulgentius, taught in an infallible definition:

“The Most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews, heretics, and schismatics can ever be partakers of eternal life, but that they are to go into the eternal fire ‘which was prepared for the devil and his angels’ (Mt 25:41) unless before death they are joined with her.”



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Message 183 of 294 (882071)
09-10-2020 6:06 AM
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09-10-2020 4:45 AM


Re: Catholic, Roman Catholic, & Protestant
dwise1 writes:

And that is the ultimate problem for theology. No matter how rigorously valid theologians may make their intricate logic, if the premises are not true then the conclusions cannot be accepted as being true. Even worse, if the the premises are not proven to be true, then the conclusions cannot be considered to be proven to be true.

That reminds me of Tangles argument to PRC about how non-catholics are surely going to hell.

First, the evidence. I looked it up also, Tangle.
Catholics
by Bradley Eli, M.Div., Ma.Th.

Also CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
SECOND EDITION

Now the question. Are all Non-Catholics going to hell?


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 184 of 294 (882075)
09-10-2020 8:32 AM
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09-10-2020 4:45 AM


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So, when are you going to tell Phat that the god that loves him is going to send him to hell to be punished in everlasting fire for the sins of his fathers?

Tangle, your are missing the development here.

We have agape love now. WhatisCatholicName said so.

We all bask in the gentle warmth of god's infinite forgiving love. All is well. All is forgiven. Sin can be no more because all sin is forgiven by his infinite agape love. The prodigal son is welcomed back into loving arms once again. All shall ascend the golden stair, the blasphemous pedophile hand in hand with the jihadi. All humanity is finally embraced as one and all shall enjoy the life and the love eternal.

Which means there is no longer a need for a church. What's a church going to do? Recruit members to enjoy what god has already given everyone? Waste of time effort and money now that agape love is here.

Dissolve the church. Sell the assets. Give the proceeds to those poor whose agape love hasn't flourished into paying all the rent just yet.

I still got dibs on one of the mitres.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 185 of 294 (882078)
09-10-2020 9:39 AM
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09-10-2020 8:32 AM


Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts
I'm attempting to refocus several streams of conscious arguments over here in our Free For All thread with Chris. (You guys dont have to call him "whats his Catholic Name" anymore)

One question we have on the table is the issue of whether Non-Catholics will be saved.

Another question along these same lines is whether everyone will make it or whether there are certain Spiritual Preconditions which a human must consciously and willfully do in order to escape the fate of animals and simply die and become fertilizer (or get sent to some place for rebellious souls)

jar and ringo bring up the Parable Of The Rich Young Ruler and the Parable Of The Prodigal Son.

And of course jar believes that Christianity is about what You Do versus what You Could Have Done---assuming there is a Judgement.

Chris seemingly believes in a God of Mercy and that the Gates of Hell will never bring down the RCC.

AZPaul3 says that Christian Idealism clashes with the Reality of Human Behavior.

And Tangle attempts to hold Catholicism and Protestantism to the standards of the characters in the book and the written rules of the church.

Lets continue.


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“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 186 of 294 (882082)
09-10-2020 10:15 AM
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09-10-2020 9:39 AM


Re: Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts
Lets continue.

Why? I thought it was all done. We got agape love from god now so his infinite love and infinite forgiveness clears all sins for all humans for all eternity. We all get in ... for free.

So what is left to discuss?


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 187 of 294 (882083)
09-10-2020 10:37 AM
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09-10-2020 9:39 AM


Re: Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts
Phat writes:

And of course jar believes that Christianity is about what You Do versus what You Could Have Done---assuming there is a Judgement.

Phat, I simply report what is actually written in the Bible.


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Message 188 of 294 (882084)
09-10-2020 10:39 AM
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09-10-2020 10:15 AM


Re: Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts
AZPaul3 writes:

I thought it was all done. We got agape love from god now so his infinite love and infinite forgiveness clears all sins for all humans for all eternity. We all get in ... for free.

So what is left to discuss?

For starters, (and while we are being hypothetical) what if we all don't want to be there? Assuming that God forgave everyone on the planet for their sins (be they many or few,major or minor) we thus would know of Gods boundless Agape Love. But what of our ongoing nature? Does He fix that too or will we be our same imperfect selves inhabiting a perfect place?

Will the Biden supporters remember why they hated Trump? Will the Trump supporters remember why they hated Biden?

Will the freethinkers put up with the authority? Or will Heaven be a place of autonomy?

Edited by Phat, : added points


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 189 of 294 (882086)
09-10-2020 11:04 AM
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09-10-2020 10:39 AM


Re: Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts
... what if we all don't want to be there?

Way above my pay grade. Gonna have to talk to Personnel.

But what of our ongoing nature? Does He fix that too or will we be our same imperfect selves inhabiting a perfect place?

I donno. What's he do with our nature now when it happens?

Then again, I can't see how copping a couple of solid gold place settings off the Divine dinner table will even be noticed so easily forgiven and more easily replaced. Seems the view of what's a plus and what's a minus in human nature would have to be reassessed.

Whatever it is, Phat, his agape love, his infinite love and infinite forgiveness, will set it all right. He won't hurt us anymore.


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Message 190 of 294 (882090)
09-10-2020 12:20 PM
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09-10-2020 8:32 AM


Re:
im proud of you. even in jest, you are developing an understanding for god.

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Message 191 of 294 (882091)
09-10-2020 12:23 PM
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09-10-2020 9:39 AM


Re: Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts
Phat writes:

Ringo Thinks The Early Church In Rome Was The Church In Acts


It doesn't really matter whether Ananias and Sapphira were in Rome or Jerusalem or Denver. They defied Jesus and they were punished for it.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 192 of 294 (882092)
09-10-2020 12:31 PM
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09-10-2020 12:20 PM


Re:
I've always known god. We go way back together. All the way back to when I first invented him in my mind. This understanding is not new.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 193 of 294 (882093)
09-10-2020 12:39 PM
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09-10-2020 12:31 PM


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i believe in god because no one ever gave me agape love. except jesus christ.

you don't believe in god, because you don't believe he's capable of loving you.

but in his torturous death he proved his love is enough.

much like modern atheists, the roman guard spit on christ, bashed him in the head, gave him a reed, and pretended he was a king, spit in his face, scoffing is nothing new.

yet our lord died for every scoffer.

in the off chance their hearts open

and we feel the force of God's love

true love

agape love

love that humans can't know alone.

without Christ

we would never feel agape love

and he chose to dispense this agape love

through his sacred heart and his divine mercy

the rays of truth and love pour forth from his heart.

he loves you


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Message 194 of 294 (882094)
09-10-2020 2:50 PM


A study published in the journal Neuropsychologia has shown that religious fundamentalism is, in part, the result of a functional impairment in a brain region known as the prefrontal cortex. The findings suggest that damage to particular areas of the prefrontal cortex indirectly promotes religious fundamentalism by diminishing cognitive flexibility and openness—a psychology term that describes a personality trait which involves dimensions like curiosity, creativity, and open-mindedness.

  
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Message 195 of 294 (882095)
09-10-2020 3:06 PM
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09-10-2020 12:39 PM


Re:

Had to know it was coming.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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