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PaulK
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Message 271 of 327 (882321)
09-18-2020 2:55 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
09-18-2020 2:45 AM


Re: Code
Why would you ask him what atheists think? It’s not as if he knows or would bother to find out.

Evolution has given us certain capabilities. It is true that we can foster and develop them but the basics come down to us from our biological history.


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Tangle
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Message 272 of 327 (882322)
09-18-2020 2:57 AM
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09-18-2020 2:45 AM


Re: Code
Phat writes:

do atheists think that we are in essence our own creator? How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery?

Why are you asking another nutjob believer what an atheist thinks? Do you think that he has any chance knowing? Any at all?


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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 273 of 327 (882323)
09-18-2020 3:15 AM
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09-18-2020 2:45 AM


Re: Code
as offensive as it sounds, i am of the opinion that atheism is a mental illness

charlie shared a curious anecdote. according to his research into near death experiences, atheists in hell do not actually believe there is no god. they had consciously lied to themselves their entire lives on earth.


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Message 274 of 327 (882324)
09-18-2020 3:17 AM


it would be better there be no god at all than a god without the sacraments

i don't know how you get by without the sacraments, phat. i really don't. when one has a soul-yearning for christ, a true thirst, confession brings us into communion. according to rad trad catholics, we gain no merit from our prayers when in a state of mortal sin.

life without the interplay of christ and his dearly beloved mother is heartache.


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PaulK
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Message 275 of 327 (882325)
09-18-2020 3:28 AM
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09-18-2020 3:15 AM


Re: Code
quote:
as offensive as it sounds, i am of the opinion that atheism is a mental illness

Since your opinion is founded in your fantasies if there is mental illness it is in you. Personally I just think your mind is warped by your devotion to Satan.


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Message 276 of 327 (882326)
09-18-2020 3:39 AM
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09-18-2020 3:28 AM


Re: Code
edgy

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Tangle
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Message 277 of 327 (882327)
09-18-2020 3:57 AM
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09-18-2020 3:15 AM


Re: Code
what'sisname? writes:

as offensive as it sounds, i am of the opinion that atheism is a mental illness

There's nothing offensive about mental illness except why your loving god would inflict it on his creation. He loves us, my arse.

But of course, the madman always knows that he's right and the rest of the world is wrong; sadly, our institutions are full of them.

charlie shared a curious anecdote. according to his research into near death experiences, atheists in hell do not actually believe there is no god. they had consciously lied to themselves their entire lives on earth.

Congratulations, this is the most fanatically lunatic thing I've heard for ages.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Son Goku
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Message 278 of 327 (882328)
09-18-2020 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Fuckdamods
09-18-2020 12:47 AM


Re: Code
The problem is all of this is very vague. What exactly does "superstructure", "matter" and "instructions" mean here.

Depending on how you define things we already know of material events with no cause, or that matter doesn't capture all of reality or that matter itself has the power to create events out of nothing.

So you'd have to be more specific in what all these terms actually mean in order to start discussing what we know of reality.

That's not to mention this engages in the old dichotomy of the only options being:
A certain vague kind materialist reductionism
or
Some form of Christian monotheism

Not only are there other religious views but there is also various other physicalist views or non-physicalist and yet still not religious views.

Edited by Son Goku, : No reason given.


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AZPaul3
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Message 279 of 327 (882330)
09-18-2020 10:56 AM
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09-18-2020 3:15 AM


Re: Code
Oh wow. We have a religious nutjob with another religious nutjob for an alter ego.

This is not good.

Usually the alter ego is an altered personality with different ideas except in this case it's an exact image of the base nutjob but with the ability to talk with dead atheists.

This is well outside the 3rd standard deviation under the curve of mental defect and is the territory where we find violent voices picking up guns and shooting people.

Someone needs to inform the local authorities. Both of these dudes need to be on the "Crazy Person - Potential Murderer" watch list. Their posts and actions need to be recorded as future evidence of how religion compelled them to fall off the deep end and perpetrate yet another reich-wing mass shooting of the innocent.


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ringo
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Message 280 of 327 (882331)
09-18-2020 12:08 PM
Reply to: Message 269 by Phat
09-18-2020 2:45 AM


Re: Code
Phat writes:

do atheists think that we are in essence our own creator?


Of course not.

Phat writes:

How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery?


Evolution.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Phat
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Message 281 of 327 (882332)
09-18-2020 12:30 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by Son Goku
09-18-2020 6:35 AM


Re: Code
You have a good point. I cant simply expect everyone to drop their pursuit of answers in deference to my dogma. It could well be that trying to teach others to imitate my experiences is in fact harmful to them even if my dogma were true.

I got on the whole "physicalism" kick because of PaulK, whom I respect for his due diligence at getting to the bottom of these things. I used to think that he went out of his way to remain an atheist and that simply taking a leap of faith would open his skepticism up a bit...but this of course assumes my belief to be true. I have always respected your wisdom and am glad to be able to communicate. Thanks for taking the time to put up with we "nutjobs"...


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 282 of 327 (882333)
09-18-2020 12:33 PM
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09-18-2020 12:08 PM


Evidence Based Belief and Refusal to accept anything unexplained
That sounds too much like a canned answer. You claim to have experienced many of the same (or similar) unexplained events that I have, and you too easily rejected them...as does AZ Paul3, simply because you already conclude that they simply cant happen.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 283 of 327 (882334)
09-18-2020 12:35 PM
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09-18-2020 10:56 AM


Trust and Belief In Humanity
That's it!!!! Let the government play God. What a novel idea!

As long as the "god" they represent is all inclusive and saves everybody!

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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ringo
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Message 284 of 327 (882335)
09-18-2020 12:42 PM
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09-18-2020 12:33 PM


Re: Evidence Based Belief and Refusal to accept anything unexplained
Phat writes:

You claim to have experienced many of the same (or similar) unexplained events that I have, and you too easily rejected them...as does AZ Paul3, simply because you already conclude that they simply cant happen.


I didn't reject them. I put them in the "I don't know" file.

And I didn't conclude that they can't happen. They did happen.

I concluded that there is no reason to accept your explanation.


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jar
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Message 285 of 327 (882336)
09-18-2020 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by ringo
09-18-2020 12:08 PM


Re: Code
ringo writes:

Phat writes:

How else would a physicalist explain creativity and discovery?


Evolution.

We can even see birds and bonobos and dolphin and elephants show creativity and discovery.

It is not even something unique to humans.


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