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Taq
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Message 42 of 61 (882747)
10-08-2020 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Hyroglyphx
10-07-2020 1:56 AM


Re: [qs=Hyroglyphx]Re: Oikophobia
Hyroglyphx writes:

Now, of those, what evidence is there to assume that white officers are literally killing people just because they're black and has nothing to do with, oh I don't know, the fact that they are about to be killed?

A cop pulls over a BMW and walks up to the driver's window. It rolls down and in the driver's seat is a middle aged pudgy white dude in a 3 piece suit. When the cop asks for identification the white dude reaches into has back pocket for his wallet. He isn't shot. Is that surprising?

Sadly, there are traffic stops where the driver or passenger isn't a middle aged, rich, pudgy white due, and is instead a black man. Sometimes, they get shot when reaching into their back pocket for ID. Even worse, we aren't surprised.

The major problem, in my estimation, is that cops have a heightened state of fear if the person they are dealing with is black. That's what sets up these terrible outcomes. Is a cop going to have his hand on his gun ready to draw at the drop of a hat if he is talking to a white pregnant woman in a mini-van? Probably not. What if it's a young black kid? He might be ready to draw and fire in the blink of an eye.


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Message 46 of 61 (882787)
10-15-2020 1:43 PM
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10-08-2020 6:59 PM


Re: Why?
AZPaul3 writes:

Why does the cop feel this way?

Cultural stereotypes, mainly.


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Message 47 of 61 (882788)
10-15-2020 1:49 PM
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10-09-2020 1:03 PM


Re: Oversimplification
Hyroglyphx writes:

If your only two metrics or variables are skin color and a specific outcome, then naturally that kind of oversimplification is only going to yield simplified results versus one that factors in multiple layers of nuance. But, you aren't stupid, you know that already...

I did state that it is a major problem, not the only one.

So is an unassuming, Morgan Freeman type of black man, driving a BMW in a 3-piece suit going to signal some kind of threat versus a white guy that looks like Chuck Liddell? Or how about a pregnant, black female that looks like Keri Washington driving a mini-van versus a white chick that has a tatted up neck and a confrontational attitude?

Demeanor, size, athleticism, attitude, shiftiness, mannerisms, etc are all context clues that every person picks up on, not just cops, when determining a threat assessment. Its 350 million of human evolution at play and just being "white" or just being "black" outside of the aforementioned variables doesn't tell the whole story.

I haven't heard of any unarmed tatted up white chicks being shot by police. Have you?


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