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Author Topic:   Be It Stealth or Cyber: We Are In A War With China
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Message 21 of 54 (882199)
09-15-2020 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by vimesey
09-14-2020 10:08 AM

The new Cold War
Tribalism needs an enemy, sadly. It’s been right wing populism’s tactic throughout history - point at a bogey man villain, and people will vote you in. They’ll even back you when you take away their vote, because of the emergency posed by the bogey man villain. When people slowly begin to realise that the bogey man was just that - a fictional bad guy - it’s too late, the damage has been done.

Tribalism exists, no doubt. Some countries definitely never let a good crisis go to waste and use it to their advantage to pass legislature that ordinarily would be met with harsh criticism, no doubt. All true.

However, China most certainly has been playing the long game and absolutely want to be at the top of the heap by hook or by crook. This isn't merely an issue between the United States and to frame it as such would be disingenuous. China is a threat and a nuisance to all of its Asian neighbors. Why? Because they are illegally attempting to make virtually the entirety of the South China Sea, East China Sea and Yellow Sea exclusively theirs. One of the ways they have been doing it has been building upon atolls in the Spratley Islands and claiming it as Chinese territory. Many, if not most, of those atolls are fortified and militarized. A coalition of nations such as Vietnam, Malaysia, Phillipines, Indonesia, Japan and South Korea has formed against China.

Its not hard to understand why they are doing it. They want to control the Pacific through naval dominance and want exclusive access to those fisheries. All of this is against multiple treatises.

Then we also know what they are doing to Hong Kong, which enjoyed actual freedom for over 150 years. We know they want to invade Taiwan and force the Taiwanese to become Chinese. We know they want to make Tibet theirs. We know they have engaged in border disputes with India, Mongolia and Russia.

Then we also know of the human rights violations against the Falun Gong and most recently the Ughyer population.

As it relates to the West, there is no nation that is more active in conducting cyberwarfare against the Five Eyes (UK, US, Australia, Canada, New Zealand) more so than China. They have engaged in corporate espionage for nearly 40 years spying and stealing intellectual property.

China has a rapacious appetite. Their plans for conquest remind me of Japan's expansion in the late 1930's into the 1940's.

This Cold War we are at with China is heating up and it is no one's best interest that it boils over.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 43 of 54 (882353)
09-18-2020 5:28 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by Pressie
09-15-2020 10:50 AM

As a foreigner to both the US and China, I think that the US system is not really better than the Chinese governmental system.
As an example, in North Carolina, a state I used to visit quite often, the Democratic Party got a substantially more votes in 2018 than the Republicans. Yet, the Republicans dominate the State legislature with many more seats. Gerrymandering and all that.

That's the opposite of how democracy is supposed to work.

So, the US and Chinese systems are not too different.

At least the Chinese are honest. That can't be said about the American system.

They are completely different in just about every conceivable way. Xi has made sure that there aren't any elections concerning him being president for life, so its kind of funny that you act like there is parity when there is none. Xi is a dictator and will never leave office until his death.

Secondly, the reason the electoral college was created was precisely instituted to protect against corruption. We here in America know that a Direct Democracy is a mobocracy; its two wolves and a lamb voting over what will be for dinner.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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