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Message 17 of 105 (882521)
09-27-2020 7:22 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by Tangle
09-27-2020 2:48 AM


Re: First Of All
Tangle writes:

Like most fundies, you can't think critically about religion mostly because of highly motivated thinking, but also because it seems that you - like almost every fundie I've ever met - have little education or formal training in how to do it.

It is more than just that; the CCoI educates and trains cult members to avoid critical thinking and to accept SOURCE over content, belief over evidence and fantasy over reality.

It's not that they have not been educated on how to think but rather they are educated to avoid thinking.


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Message 27 of 105 (882536)
09-27-2020 4:40 PM


quote:
I didn’t know this at the time, but all those hours I spent researching and analyzing God were beginning to rewire the neurological network that made up my faith. If we think back to our brains as a large business or political organization, all my reading and studying was causing layoffs in the offices and departments of those whose job it was to make me feel the presence of God. Every day, a few more employees were let go, resulting in more empty offices with the lights turned off. Before the president knew it, there was no one left in the entire organization helping me know God.

An amazing example of stringing a whole bunch of words together yet being able to eep out any meaning or sense or substance or value or worth.

Yes, the man is definitely a craftsman who knows exactly the perfect presentation preferred at the CCoI Salad Bar.

How anyone could read that without laughing is very very very hard to imagine.


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Message 30 of 105 (882548)
09-28-2020 10:25 AM
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09-28-2020 9:53 AM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
Lots of utter nonsense though.

The Faith statement is pretty much meaningless and can also be applied to almost anything.

The same is true of GOD. You could substitute mashed potatoes for GOD and it would have the same value, relevance and meaning.

"PRAYER is at least a form of meditation that encourages the development of healthy brain tissue, that reduces stress, and that can connect us to God. " is another totally unsupported assertion used as though anything in it were actually fact. Another easy sell to the rubes.

"Sin comes from the divergent impulses between our lower and higher brain functions and our evolution-driven tendency to do things that serve ourselves and our tribe." is just ********. There is no such thing as lower and higher brain functions and the second part is just silly.

Again, #5 is just word salad and platitudes. "Even if this is all the afterlife is, the consequences of our actions persist beyond our death and our ethical considerations must include a time line beyond our death." Of course actions can have consequences that last a long time but that has jackshit to do with any afterlife. Sorry but that is simply a really stupid comment and the fact you or anyone else even considers it for a second a sad reflection on reading comprehension and the ability to think.


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Message 67 of 105 (882775)
10-10-2020 11:50 AM
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10-10-2020 11:39 AM


Re: A Handful Of "Science Mikes"
Phat writes:

All that your science is is just what the snake said: You shall be as gods.

LOL; did you REALY post that?

You keep showing that you really refuse to honestly read the Bible.

quote:
And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

That's not the snake (and it's a serpent) talking Phat.

Phat writes:

You likely would even argue that today's humans are wiser than Jesus ever could have been since we now have Google and 2000 years of additional acquired wisdom. You just don't get it.

You just don't get it Phat.

There is a difference between wisdom and knowledge. There can be no doubt that even the Christian Cult of ********* probably has more knowledge than Jesus ever had. And when it comes to wisdom related to Jesus we can only go by what is written in the stories and no where in any of the stories does it show Jesus as having any unusual wisdom or greater wisdom than we find in many other examples such as the Buddha or Confucius or Lao Tzu.


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Message 71 of 105 (882781)
10-10-2020 3:21 PM
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10-10-2020 2:14 PM


Re: A Handful Of "Science Mikes"
Phat writes:

So you dont believe that Jesus lives today.

You have never even explained what the hell that means.

Phat writes:

And if you did, you would realize that not only His wisdom was timeless, but that His knowledge is as up to date as the daily news.

Really. And what evidence or reasoned argument supports that?

And you never addressed the first issue in the message; who said "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:"?


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Message 74 of 105 (882797)
10-16-2020 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by ringo
10-16-2020 12:09 PM


Re: Basic Christian Philosophy
Or present even one single example of an "Absolute Truth" as opposed to an absolute fact.

There are no Absolute Truths found in the Bible or anywhere else.

That is not relevant to Christian Philosophy but only to Apologists marketing carny spiels.


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Message 79 of 105 (883201)
11-15-2020 6:58 AM
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11-15-2020 1:37 AM


Re: First Of All
The first two points are simply silly Phat; pitiful and embarrassing. You should be ashamed to even think for a moment that they have any relevance whatsoever.

Phat writes:

When one has repeatedly seen unexplained events and specific phenomena, fantasy becomes reality for that person unless they deny what they have repeatedly seen.

No Phat. No one has even suggested someone should deny what they have repeatedly seen. Rather it's the absurd unseen parts that need to be thrown away.

There are lots of unexplained things seen. But no one has ever seen "supernatural". Acknowledge that you've seen some weird shit; that's wonderful. Stop pretending though that you have even a clue about the causes beyond those that can be tested.


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Message 81 of 105 (883205)
11-15-2020 11:31 AM
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11-15-2020 9:44 AM


Re: First Of All
Phat writes:

I bind that demon in the name of Jesus and I pray that the Holy Spirit of creativity and reality fill our conversation!

Sheesh, yet more utter nonsense Phat.

You seem unable to even consider reality.

Try for once to think.

The fact that content has a source is totally irrelevant to the fact of whether or not the content has any basis in reality, any value, any worth.

Second, although you post "ALL EVIDENCE must be based only on what can be tested" you then go on in the ZVERY next sentence to post an example of you claiming evidence that you refuse to test and in fact things which no one has ever presented any way that they could be tested.

If you think that we are unaware then present either the evidence or REASONED ARGUMENT that supports your position.

That has never yet happened.


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Message 83 of 105 (883215)
11-15-2020 2:42 PM
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11-15-2020 1:02 PM


Re: First Of All
Phat writes:

You know nothing until you commune with a Spirit far superior to yours.

More crap from you Phat.

You have NEVER communed with anything but your self, the God of Perpetual Masturbation.

Phat writes:

If you claim to be a believer, believe instead of believing in your own wisdom and mind.

But I and almost everyone who has ever responded to you keep telling you that is what is the proper course towards learning; don't think you are wise instead look at the evidence and reality.

Understand that when it comes to beliefs you are totally abandoning logic, reason and reality and instead trusting only in your own wisdom and mind. Don't trust your own wisdom and mind rather test and doubt and challenge your beliefs using logic, reason and reality.


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Message 85 of 105 (883217)
11-15-2020 4:41 PM
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11-15-2020 3:35 PM


Re: First Of All
And so yet again you can present no evidence or reasoned argument to support you position as well as posting sill totally irrelevant material that just demonstrates that you have never learned how to think.

Membership in an organization has nothing to do with beliefs but rather reality. That I am a member of the Episcopal Church though is evidence that I am a Christian.

Learn how to think Phat.

Phat writes:

Logic, Reason, and Reality depend on the observer as well as objective evidence.

Say what?


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Message 93 of 105 (883308)
11-26-2020 3:25 PM
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11-26-2020 11:41 AM


Re: Critical Analysis of this books CONTENT
Phat refuses to actually read the Bible, even when the wording is presented to him.

Phat writes:

There is One Spirit, not "many". To say there are many is to peddle a lie.

The snake started this lie by saying ye shall be as gods. There is only One.

quote:
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil:

The source is NOT the snake.

One of US, not another of me.

Us is a first person plural pronoun.

Plural means more than one member of the specific set.

It really is that simple. The writers of much of the Bible were never monotheists and that is repeated over and over and over again.

I am the Lord, thy God.

I am a jealous God.

You shall have no other Gods before me.


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Message 95 of 105 (883313)
11-27-2020 7:00 AM
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11-27-2020 1:48 AM


Re: How Can One PROVE The Unexplainable?
That, you can make all the claims that you want but can never support them with evidence or reasoned arguments.

It really is that simple.


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Message 98 of 105 (883316)
11-27-2020 8:58 AM
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11-27-2020 7:14 AM


Re: How Can One PROVE The Unexplainable?
Phat writes:

How would one go about explaining (un)explainable events? I have seen enough subjective evidence to believe that God as I understand Him is real and so are demons, but I have no way of presenting this as an objective argument.

You look at the evidence.

What does the evidence show?

The objective rather than subjective evidence is that there is no consistent universal subjective evidence of any god but rather subjective evidence of literally millions of different gods.

Since ALL of the objective evidence does show that either there are literally millions of different gods or there is no way to decide if any one or more of them actually exists.

You then accept the fact that so far there is no way to know whether there are literally millions of different gods or there is no way to decide if any one or more of them actually exists and so stop trying to pretend you do know.

Next you create a box called "unexplained" and you throw your demons and events and incidents and folktales in the "Unexplained Box".

Phat, Objective Evidence always trumps subjective evidence.

Thinking that there really are demons is just another playground copout, a way to place the blame somewhere other than ourselves.


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Message 100 of 105 (883321)
11-27-2020 6:13 PM
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11-27-2020 4:50 PM


Re: How Can One PROVE The Unexplainable?
Phat writes:

I disagree. There is only One God. the other "gods" are not Deities...they are created by the One God.

LOL

Too funny.

Phat you do realize that the Muslim says the same thing and that what you worship is just a demon?

Phat writes:

You have said before that you would laugh at the God of Biblical Christians...many whom describe the same God.

Phat, even the people that wrote the stories in the Bible did not describe one God. The God of Genesis 1 and the God of Genesis 2&3 are mutually exclusive.

Phat writes:

You tell me to learn to think, but if thinking turned me as skeptical as you, I would prefer to do without it.

Exactly Phat. You want and need the God you have created and lots of others also want and need the god they create. You want God to be the way it works best for you; your own little servant.


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Message 105 of 105 (883327)
11-28-2020 7:37 AM
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11-28-2020 12:25 AM


Re: How Can One PROVE The Unexplainable?
As Tangle pointed out the reason you are a Christian is because you were born into a Christian dominated society.

But wait, there's more.

You are not claiming that Christianity is the one true religion but rather YOUR Christianity is the One True Religion and YOUR God is the One True and only God.

You bought a lottery ticket Phat. You are sure YOUR lottery ticket is the winning one. But reality says that in many if not most cases none of the lottery tickets purchased are the right one.

But unlike many if not most lotteries when you find out your ticket is NOT a winner you do not get to simply buy another he next week.

Phat writes:

Why is it unreasonable to assume that One God is likely? Why is it unreasonable to think that someone...some group....has it nearly right? Why cant that just happen to be the One we worship? Why do you treat the idea like a chance?

I treat what you do like folk that buy lottery tickets because it is simply another lottery ticket. You are taking a chance and hoping to win some prize when what Jesus taught was that the goal is to do now.


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