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Phat
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Message 1 of 77 (882454)
09-24-2020 9:07 AM


This is actually a really good book. It is by Mike McHargue, better known as Science Mike.

As I read it (on Kindle) I will share a few excerpts, though due to copyright software, Kindle never lets me cut and paste, even after I purchased the darn book!

So I will retype the relevant quotes and share this gem with my loveable skeptics here at EvC. Stay tuned.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 2 of 77 (882489)
09-25-2020 11:44 PM
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09-24-2020 9:07 AM


I have been doing cut and paste with kindle.

I use the kindle software for Windows 7 (probably also works on Windows 10).

I don't know how to cut/paste of a physical kindle -- it might not be possible. But it can be done on the Windows software version.


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Message 3 of 77 (882491)
09-26-2020 12:04 AM
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09-25-2020 11:44 PM


Oh, nwr, you didn't have to encourage him. We're trying to cure him of this bad case of religion.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Phat
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Message 4 of 77 (882497)
09-26-2020 3:42 AM
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09-25-2020 11:44 PM


Kindle
I am reading the book and likely will have little need to cut * paste apart from a brief quote here and there. And if need be, I will simply retype the paragraph.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Phat
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Message 5 of 77 (882498)
09-26-2020 3:47 AM
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09-26-2020 12:04 AM


Ironically, Mike McHargue thinks a lot like many of you.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 6 of 77 (882500)
09-26-2020 9:54 AM
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09-26-2020 3:47 AM


Unless your first quote from him is, "There is no god. The supernatural isn't. Physics rules the universe," then there really is nothing he can teach me.

If you do find such a quote then by all means bring it on and we can all sit around the campfire, hold hands and sing kumbaya over his self-improvement book.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 7 of 77 (882501)
09-26-2020 10:53 AM
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09-26-2020 9:54 AM


Leaarning From Others
What if I told you that he once was a believer in the traditional apologetic sense that our jar from Texas hates so much, became an atheist,(thinking very similar to you and Tangle, and ringo...with some similarities to jar and stile, though absolutely NO similarity to myself(obviously), then he became a Mystic and "found God in the Waves(An epiphany of feelings while on the beach one day(this from a science mind) and the journey in this book anyway ends by him becoming who he is now. He still thinks scientificallyu. He does not push beliefs, though he does not fight them as you seem to do.

So, Mr. "YouCantTeachMeAnything", you seem as stubborn and entrenched as I am. But let me read the book before hitting you up with any quotes for comment.


"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Message 8 of 77 (882502)
09-26-2020 12:16 PM
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09-26-2020 10:53 AM


Re: Leaarning From Others
Oh great, a mystic. “People will believe anything”

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 9 of 77 (882504)
09-26-2020 12:30 PM
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09-26-2020 10:53 AM


Re: Leaarning From Others
Phat writes:

What if I told you that he once was a believer in the traditional apologetic sense that our jar from Texas hates so much, became an atheist,(thinking very similar to you and Tangle, and ringo...with some similarities to jar and stile, though absolutely NO similarity to myself(obviously), then he became a Mystic and "found God in the Waves....


I read the theism --> atheism -- > theism angle in the blurb on Amazon. No surprises there. Every fundy claims to have been an atheist once. Maybe they just don't understand what it means.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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AZPaul3
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Message 10 of 77 (882507)
09-26-2020 2:03 PM
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09-26-2020 10:53 AM


Re: Leaarning From Others
But let me read the book before hitting you up with any quotes for comment.

I suppose, since I can't stop you and you're going to do it anyways, I should be patient and see what you produce.

But, I gotta tell ya, Phat, this "mystic" stuff is already 10 strikes against him.

I wouldn't expect much in the way of intellectual enlightenment from him no matter how he misuses and abuses the "science" he claims guides him.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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nwr
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Message 11 of 77 (882515)
09-26-2020 10:41 PM
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09-26-2020 12:04 AM


We're trying to cure him of this bad case of religion.

He is incurable.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 12 of 77 (882516)
09-26-2020 11:09 PM
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That may be so but as Acolytes Of Reality it is our mission to spread the Good Word to all nations and peoples lest they miss the joys and wonders of the One True Reality of the universe.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 13 of 77 (882517)
09-26-2020 11:57 PM
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09-26-2020 11:09 PM


We don't have to do anything for them to enjoy reality. They just have to get their heads out of their holy books every once in a while.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 14 of 77 (882518)
09-27-2020 12:25 AM
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09-26-2020 11:57 PM


How do you do that? How do you get a religionist to understand enough reality for them to realize the futility of religious thought? How do you get them interested enough to pull their heads out it? The books, I mean.

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 15 of 77 (882519)
09-27-2020 2:05 AM
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09-27-2020 12:25 AM


First Of All
First of all you have to stop hinting that you are smarter than they are. You likely aren't. I would go head to head in a general IQ test with most people on this Forum. Perhaps not Son Goku or a few of you, but by and large I have confidence that I could equal or best your scores yet simply because I choose to be a believer I am an outcast . I knew a lot of guys who completed college...something I never did. They had a lot of twenty dollar words and were intelligent in their chosen Majors and professions, but overall they had nothing on me. Just because I choose to believe in the supernatural (largely for my own reasons) is no reason to doubt my intelligence.
That may be so but as Acolytes Of Reality it is our mission to spread the Good Word to all nations and peoples lest they miss the joys and wonders of the One True Reality of the universe.
The Gospel According To Stan Lee.

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"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
***
“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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