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Astrophile Member Posts: 89 From: United Kingdom Joined: |
Yes, I asked a question and I received an answer. If I need to know more, I shall ask other questions.
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Phat Member Posts: 15101 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
OK, the answer is no. But I wont let your word evidence frame this issue nor define this book (nor my worldview). You may then ask me why or you may already have drawn your conclusion based on your own methodology.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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Astrophile Member Posts: 89 From: United Kingdom Joined: |
Thank-you; you have told me what I need to know. You see, it's quite easy when you simply answer the question rather than launching on a defence of your convictions.
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Phat Member Posts: 15101 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Mike McHargue did a talk at Google after he wrote this book. Its a long video, but feel free to skip around and tell me what you think.
After listening, I found his Q&A session very entertaining and discovered that he is not an evangelical in disguise. Listen between the 40 minute and 50 minute mark. Edited by Phat, : added the best timeframe to focus on. 40 minutes in. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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Phat Member Posts: 15101 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Watch the video for ten minutes (between 40:00 and 50:00) and tell me what you think now. Im liking this guy more and more, though he probably would agree with jar more than he would with me.
BTW ringo, I tried to find a transcript but there is none. Im working on it. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
Don't worry about a transcript. Try to find your own words. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Astrophile Member Posts: 89 From: United Kingdom Joined: |
He seems to be a good and likeable person, but, from what I saw in the ten minutes of the video, there is no evidence that the God of love who forms the foundation of his life has any objective existence or is anything more than the creation of his own mind. On his own account, he rejects the Bible as a valid historical account of events, and his moral principles appear to be much better than those taught in the Bible. There is nothing in what he says that could make me think that any religion is objectively true; at best, religions give us a reason to love our neighbours and provide a comfort in a harsh world. I am submitting this only because you asked me to tell you what I think.
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Phat Member Posts: 15101 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
And evidence should not be a necessary standard. Science Mike says as much. He believes, evidently due to personal experience later validated by more personal experience. He never suggests that his personal experience should even be used as any sort of evidence nor persuasion for anybody else.
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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ringo Member Posts: 18930 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 3.9 |
Without evidence there can not be truth. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5723 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.6
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Guess what? You have a handful++ "Science Mikes" right here in these forums that have been telling you for more than a decade quite the opposite. Why would you fall so hard for the former rather than the rest of us? We're not in it for the money. We're in it for the reality. Your Science Mike is wrong, Phat. Reality is all there can ever be and scientifically accepted evidence is its only key. Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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Phat Member Posts: 15101 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The evidence was given. The mistake many of you make is listening to doctrines of demones.(Mythicists who attempt to cast doubt on Jesus existence. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 5723 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.6
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So, like, where is the evidence. I don't see it.
You have a story of how one local mythic legend used another local mythic legend to make the point that miracles don't exist. If this is evidence of something I have no idea what it might be. Remember we talk to the brain-dead around here so you have to spell out, in intricate detail, where/what/how this evidence is in your quote. So far? Nada. Factio Republicana delenda est. ![]()
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Phat Member Posts: 15101 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Some reasons: Why were Christians used as human candles and burned? What possible inner reason would the secular authorities---who were perceived as Deities themselves by the masses,have for this strong hatred of Christ, Christianity, and professing believers? Finally....lets get back to McHargues book itself. And Science Mike in particular.
jar is a believer. ringo *used to be* a believer and now fancies himself a critical thinker. As for you, I have no idea which pagan spirituality you dabbled with in Arizona, but you are clearly claiming to be an atheist...and a fundementalist atheist at that. Tangle was raised catholic and mentions the bells and smells of his ritualistic youth. The only thing that you all have somewhat in common is your acceptence of *evidence* as your primary yardstick at measuring Logic, Reason, and Reality.
Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.”
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FLRW Member Posts: 65 Joined: |
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How about finding God in this Wave? In 2019 an estimated 5.2 million children under 5 years old died .
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Stile Member Posts: 4034 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 3.5
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Why Isn't God More Obvious?
It's a good question - one your quote doesn't seem to answer, either. The attempt takes on an analogy, but I don't see how it works: quote: This is saying that learning about how to see God is like learning that you need a passport. To this, I say: sure, sounds good. When does the learning about God start? Learning that you need a passport: Learning about God in order to find God: See the difference? That's not "learning about God" - that's having people tell you about God. That's not learning. That's why learning about passports to get a passport is nothing like learning about God to find God. One is real learning... with real validation.
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