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Message 5 of 20 (882821)
10-18-2020 5:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
10-17-2020 3:53 AM

We have to be able to challenge bad ideas
I find it hard to maintain a liberal attitude throughout all this. I have thoughts that I would regard as racist in others. Somehow we've allowed these primitive, alien and evil beliefs to exist inside 'our' own culture and been frightened to voice our opposition to them, allowing 'diversity' to prosper. It's sickening and it threatens our democracies by corrupting our view of difference and tolerance of others. We mustn't allow this.

There is a fundamental rift in what it means to espouse liberal policies. This inner conflict you seem to be feeling, although well-intentioned, is misguided. There is nothing liberal about defending people who want to saw your head off for free speech. Free speech is a liberal principle (excuse me, used to be), not defending diversity for the sake of diversities sake at the risk of being inclusive to a belief system that emphatically hate your diversity, hate your liberal ideas, and are willing to kill you over it.

You're goddamn right that cannot be tolerated.

This rift in liberal ideology was beginning to blossom at the time the clip below was aired, but now Ben Affleck is becoming more representative of the "Left" than champions of real liberalism, Bill Maher and Sam Harris.

Do you think if Sam was being critical of Christianity, which he often is as an atheist, that Ben would have been incensed the way he was? No, because Ben is of the New Left -- the religion of the Woke Left. In this camp, to be liberal means to be intolerant towards anything that remotely resembles Western Civilization, while being tolerant to literally anything outside of that... up to and including defending a religion that doesn't defend you, at best, and one that wants to eradicate any notion of your belief system.

In the brave new world of the Woke Left, its not at all uncommon to see white agitators attacking a black man because the black man is racist against black people. You can't make this shit up... And these are the people that swear they occupy the moral high ground... There is nothing liberal about this. What a spectacular descent from the Hippies of the 1960's to now. Absolutely disgusting and reprehensible behavior

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 9 of 20 (882826)
10-18-2020 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Tangle
10-18-2020 4:11 AM

If whole communities disagree with the fundamental founding beliefs of the country they wish to live in, how can they exist comfortably within it? I used to believe in multiculturalism, but that was before it became clear what it actually really meant.

There's nothing inherently wrong with multiculturalism. For the most part some of the greatest nations on earth, yours included, have had tremendous success with multiculturalism.

More homogenous nations, like Russia or Japan, have always had some great successes being homogenized.

But both have pro's and con's. Japan has a shocking lack of criminality in their culture, most likely because in their homogenized society there is a cultural pressure to conform. There is a strong social stigma attached to criminality. But their weakness in this regard is their inability to compete in a market of diversity. England, the US, Australia, etc are able to import brilliant minds from a panoply of cultures. Their inclusion makes us, 1. infinitely more interesting as a nation and 2. able to meet challenges that homogenized nations have difficulty competing with

But there is a trade off.... America and Britain's openness, although one of their greatest strengths, is also paradoxically one of their Achilles Heel. If your sub-communities are so large, then there is no incentive to assimilate within the greater culture. There are so many Muslims in England right now that there are large pockets of have intentionally segregated themselves into insular communities -- building up their hatreds and animosities piece by piece.

They also happen to not be very quiet in flatly shouting their long-term plan -- outbreeding you from existence and forever changing the landscape of the United Kingdom. The UK, being a very tolerant society, has rightly wanted to be inclusive and to shun racism. Obviously that is a wonderful ideal, but they have gone so far that to be thought of or labeled as a racist, somehow presents a greater internal danger than actual racist or religiously intolerant people from using that to their advantage.

The only way out of this is by pushing back. Stop being so goddamn afraid of people branding you as a racist. Its a cheap, shitty tactic... If you are in someone else's house and don't have the fucking courtesy to play by their rules; rules infinitely better than the shit holes you fled from, then expect to be sent back.

I wouldn't have the balls to go into Pakistan, start throwing my weight around, and demand that Pakistani's kowtow to my demands... and if inversely you have the balls to do that in our nation, then you don't get to live here. I don't give a fuck if you think its "racist." We both know it isn't. If it were racist you would have never been afforded the opportunity to be here to begin with. So show some fucking respect

Conform or leave. End of discussion. Cuz there are MILLIONS of foreigners who assimilate just fine and contribute wonderfully to our societies. If you can't do that then you can't be here.

Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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Message 11 of 20 (882829)
10-18-2020 4:26 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Tangle
10-18-2020 4:09 PM

The Crusades 2.0
The glaring problem of course is that many are UK or US (etc) nationals having been born here or become citizens. They can't be sent home because they are home and they can't be forced to leave.

You're right, good point, then expect heavy sentencing.

"Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it" -- Thomas Paine

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