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Message 14 of 20 (882874)
10-22-2020 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Tangle
10-17-2020 3:53 AM


Tangle writes:

I have thoughts that I would regard as racist in others.

It is worth remembering that Islam is a religion, not a race.

Somehow we've allowed these primitive, alien and evil beliefs to exist inside 'our' own culture and been frightened to voice our opposition to them, allowing 'diversity' to prosper. It's sickening and it threatens our democracies by corrupting our view of difference and tolerance of others. We mustn't allow this.

How do we balance freedom of religion while protecting the citizenry? That's a tough one, and always has been. The early liberal philosophers (e.g. Locke, Rousseau) spoke about the struggle between human rights and security, so this isn't a new thing.

Do we go beyond punishing actions and legislate against a religion? I don't think that would work, in the US or in the UK. I wish there was an easy answer, but I don't think there is.


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Message 15 of 20 (882875)
10-22-2020 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Phat
10-18-2020 1:53 PM


Re: We have to be able to challenge bad ideas
Phat writes:

The problem with the Left is that they believe in mandating morality and eventually want to forcefully limit the expressiolns of religion.

The evangelical persecution complex is alive and well:

quote:
Persecution has an allure for many evangelicals. In the Bible, Christians are promised by Saint Paul that they will suffer for Christ, if they love Him (Second Timothy 3:12). But especially in contemporary America, it is not clear what shape that suffering will take. Narratives of political, cultural, and theological oppression are popular in evangelical communities, but these are sometimes fiction or deeply exaggerated non-fiction—and only rarely accurate. This is problematic: If evangelicals want to have a persuasive voice in a pluralist society, a voice that can defend Christians from serious persecution, then we must be able to discern accurately when we are truly victims of oppression—and when this victimization is only imagined.
Why Do Evangelicals Have a Persecution Complex?

I reject that typoe of thinking because i believe that the secular Lefts emphasis on evidence-based thinking, humanistic principles, and freedom from religious expression is itself no better solution and is at its core just as evil.

I guess you forgot that freedom of religious expression is one of the cornerstones of humanistic principles.


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Message 17 of 20 (882880)
10-23-2020 12:01 PM
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10-22-2020 6:52 PM


Tangle writes:

Whatever name you give to that feeling, I have it and it's definitely an 'ism'.

I have had that feeling as well, and in my very fallible and emotionally driven human mind it can mix up religion and race. I definitely get where you are coming from. Tribalism, xenophobia, othering . . . it goes by a lot of names.


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Message 19 of 20 (882943)
10-26-2020 6:52 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Sarah Bellum
10-25-2020 10:35 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:

Some cultures are just wrong. The Islamists who believe people should be killed for drawing cartoons have a culture just as bad as that of the antebellum slave traders (interesting how the only culture that STILL has slavery nowadays is muslim...) or female circumcisionists in Africa.

This isn't meant to excuse anyone from heinous acts, but . . .

We should also keep in mind the crimes the West has visited upon the Islamic world. None of us are innocent or perfect, and no culture is without sin.


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