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jar
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Message 151 of 186 (883105)
11-06-2020 9:05 AM
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11-06-2020 7:45 AM


Please understand that regardless of the final outcome about 80 MILLION US adults voted for Trump. That is about one-third of all US adults.

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Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'

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Message 152 of 186 (883106)
11-06-2020 9:25 AM
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11-06-2020 9:05 AM


What does this tell us about the political and moral fabric of our society?

Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 153 of 186 (883107)
11-06-2020 9:30 AM
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11-06-2020 9:25 AM


That in particular the Christian Cult of ********* really is pervasive and ubiquitous and that at least one third of the US population is incapable of making decisions based on evidence, reality or morality.

They truly are ********** and the world should tremble in fear.

AbE:

I want to emphasize that I am not saying that ALL those who vote for Trump are evil in anyway. They aren't. The are quite simply severely handicapped and should be pitied and accepted for what they can be rather than condemned for what they cannot be. For the vast majority it's unlikely that they will ever be able to think; that is simply no longer something that they will be able to learn I fear.

So they must be more than just tolerated, rather directed towards those areas where they might even excel. But it is cruel and unreasonable to expect them to be able to make evidence or reality based decisions.

Edited by jar, : see AbE:


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Message 154 of 186 (883108)
11-06-2020 11:02 AM


I see Georgia is having a recount.

Hopefully Pennsylvania will make that irrelevant in any event. (Plus I understand from reading BBC reports, that recounts typically only make a couple of hundreds of votes difference anyway).

Encouraging to see a decent number of Republicans standing up for democratic values. In contrast, the language of Trump and his spawn is reminiscent of that used in Germany in the 1930’s - references to cowering instead of fighting; weakness instead of strength. It’s Hitler’s play book.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

  
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Message 155 of 186 (883110)
11-06-2020 2:56 PM
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11-06-2020 2:27 AM


Re: Meanwhile The Apologetic "Prophets" Whom You Call Satanic
Granted, but it could be said that both sides are corrupt. I certainly see the progressives as mandating social responsibiloity and reinterpreting laws as they humanistic ally and logically see fit.; God will simply stand back and let humanity try and do its best without Him UNTIL it fails.

The only way that God could have possibly used Trump, however, is if the liberalps were THAT DANGEROUS to our Global Future. And I never voted for Trump the first time.

Edited by Phat, : No reason given.


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jar
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Message 156 of 186 (883111)
11-06-2020 3:08 PM
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11-06-2020 2:56 PM


Re: Meanwhile The Apologetic "Prophets" Whom You Call Satanic
Phat writes:

... God will simply stand back and let humanity try and do its best without Him UNTIL it fails.

Can you provide an example of some time when God did not just stand back?


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Message 157 of 186 (883112)
11-06-2020 4:51 PM
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11-06-2020 9:30 AM


What does this tell us about the political and moral fabric of our society?
That in particular the Christian Cult of Ignorance really is pervasive and ubiquitous and that at least one third of the US population is incapable of making decisions based on evidence, reality or morality.

What it means is that the white christan right, AKA the state Republican parties, have political influence beyond their representation in the population. They out-grassrooted the liberals and the moderates and they control the statehouses. Voter law and the details of vote collection are theirs. By reformatting voting and political boundaries, gerrymandering and operationally depressing polling places in opposition neighborhoods they have slowly peddled that influence, state after state, into control of the national Republican party. If there is still rational political thought in a majority of this society it has been successfully suppressed from full political expression. It’s easy to be a red state if only the red areas of the state get to vote.

Unfortunately, as we have seen, the national Republican party is subject to be hijacked by fascist elements. They are usurping the party success their brothers in the white Christian right achieved, there not being much difference in the goals of the two. The organization is already in place. It is effective. Control of a national political party, one of only two politically allowed to have any national affect in this country, is the fascist’s wet dream. The white Christian right and their fascist suitors have made the Republican party dangerous to our democracy.

Locally, we need to vote down the right. We need to vote down the Republicans.

Long term? Education, education, education. And hope to avoid a war.


Factio Republicana delenda est.
I am antifa.

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Message 158 of 186 (883113)
11-06-2020 8:46 PM
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11-05-2020 2:04 AM


Re: Lament
I think he despises the fact that many liberals expect to have the rights that he and his family had to earn.

I had to earn those "rights". But I'm fine with paying a little more in taxes so as to help others.

Republicans fear higher taxes to support what they see as a lazy and uneducated group of people who want to get entitlements as rights and move up in class.

I hope you realize that they see you as one of that lazy and uneducated group of people. They won't tell you that to your face, but that is how they see you. That's why they want to take away your social security.

For all of their belief in God, they manage to completely ignore what Jesus said to the rich man.


Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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Message 159 of 186 (883114)
11-06-2020 8:51 PM
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11-05-2020 4:01 PM


Re: ITS ALL OVER...in another Month
I might just spot him envy, on the basis that I can’t imagine he would picture anyone in a position he would view as superior to his own.

I'm inclined to see the Trump presidency as due to his envy of the success of Barack Obama.

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Message 160 of 186 (883115)
11-06-2020 8:58 PM
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11-06-2020 2:00 AM


Re: Meanwhile The Apologetic "Prophets" Whom You Call Satanic
This could cause the greatest division ever seen between the secular progressives and the Biblical Christians.

I'm not worried about the Biblical Christians. Most of them will support Biden.

The real problem is the fake Biblical fake Christians. Those are the ones who support Trump. They ignore the teachings of Jesus, and they read stuff into the Bible that isn't actually there.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 161 of 186 (883116)
11-07-2020 1:58 AM


Joe Biden is a problem when he does not disown despicable people supporting him.
Now, understand that I am relieved Biden won, but I just saw that Cindy McCain was a supporter of his campaign.

The same lady that screamed loud pissy attacks, in 2008, accusing Obama of putting her active duty son's life in danger.

Why is it that Sanders could tell potential supporters, like Mike Bloomberg, to take their billions of dollar's in advertisement support and shove it, but Biden cannot do the same thing when a dangerous warmongering liar supports him?

Cindy McCain and her dangerous views should have no place in 2020 America, just like her racist husband should have no part in our world today.


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Message 162 of 186 (883117)
11-07-2020 5:18 AM
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11-07-2020 1:58 AM


Re: Joe Biden is a problem when he does not disown despicable people supporting him.
Gee, i dunno - maybe Biden is a different sort of guy? Holds out the olive branch?

He would let bygones be bygones in creating a mood of nation-healing
rather than hold onto a 12-year old grudge against his former boss?

I have no problem with this.


"I'd rather be an American than a Trump Supporter."

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Phat
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Message 163 of 186 (883119)
11-07-2020 11:00 AM
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11-07-2020 1:58 AM


Re: Joe Biden is a problem when he does not disown despicable people supporting him.
What do you have against John McCain? He was quite a noble example of a good Republican. Far better than Trump.

AQnd as for war and warmongering....the reality is that we live in a competitive and carnal world. Granted the US has been an ambitious Empire of sorts, but in this world it is lead or be led. Perhaps the United States was given all of the abundance that we had in order to help the world altruistically rather than horde our wealth and build a powerful military...I dunno. What I DO know is that China and the CCP are planning to be the next global superpower and they wont be polite as they shove the United States to the side. You can be a Kym-Ba-Yah lovey dovey liberal who does not mind taking a backseat and letting some other bully run the planet or you can get of your blessed assurance as John McCain did and fight with honor to protect what you have. The problem with liberals is that they don't believe that all humans are born sinful, competitive, often greedy and selfish. They believe that if we really try and squeeze our eyes shut real tight while vowing to unite humanity, we as a species will forge ahead and survive without God (or the sky-daddy of your relativistic thinking choice) I say that you need to say a prayer and realize that the gods in your studies are not simply characters on a page. God exists, John McCain knew it, and he fought evil along with the best of them. Trump is an idiot.


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- Criss Jami, Killosophy


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Tangle
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Message 164 of 186 (883121)
11-07-2020 12:25 PM


So what now, when can you guys sue the Big Orange Git?

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

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Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
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Message 165 of 186 (883122)
11-07-2020 12:48 PM
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11-07-2020 12:25 PM


Much as I would enjoy the schadenfreude that would bring, I think it's all about building bridges now. Keep the people who abandoned Trump onside, and reach out to the more die hard Trumpists and try to persuade them to look at life a little differently. If we try to put the boot in to the git, it'd bring a certain satisfaction, but I think it would deepen divisions and increase the chances of populism overturning democracy in the future. Jaw jaw, not war war.

(That said, I do harbour fantasies involving the Tangerine Turd suffering greatly, but the greater good and all that)


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