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Author Topic:   Trump and Trump supporters keep using the Y2K Fallacy, and it is driving me crazy
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Message 21 of 190 (883786)
01-11-2021 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
01-10-2021 12:35 PM


Phat writes:
Sre you suggesting that if we all pitch in, the suffering will be less?
Yes.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 50 of 190 (885711)
04-23-2021 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Sarah Bellum
04-22-2021 4:52 PM


Where I live, the year 2000 started in January and January can be very cold. So the local power company spent a lot of time and money to make sure that when the time came there would be no frozen customers. They even set their clocks forward so that the rollover happened in October when they could fix any remaining problems without loss of life.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 58 of 190 (885993)
05-01-2021 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 57 by Sarah Bellum
05-01-2021 9:38 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
How would changing the time on a clock result in "frozen customers"?
They changed the time to test their fixes of the Y2K bug. If they hadn't fixed it, the grid certainly might have gone dark on Jan 1, 2000. And with temperatures colder than -20 Celsius, customers would have literally frozen.
When they had fixed all the bugs they could find, on Oct something, they ran the system as if it was Dec 31, 1999 to see if they had missed any. I don't know what their clocks read on the actual Dec 31, 1999.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 63 of 190 (886053)
05-03-2021 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Sarah Bellum
05-03-2021 12:37 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Suppose you went into a power plant, or a network of power plants and the associated distribution network, and changed the date on all the clocks to something incorrect.
They changed the date in the software, the date that the software compares with the clock date.
Sarah Bellum writes:
Would people's bills be calculated incorrectly?
I don't know. It's possible that the billing side of the software could be isolated from the operational side. It would seem to me that that would be good software design.
Sarah Bellum writes:
Would the time change affect settings that affect usage estimates because it assumed the weather would be different?
The usage has nothing to do with it. They were concerned about possible interruptions.
Sarah Bellum writes:
Software problems can certainly cause catastrophes. They may also be mere nuisances. That's all the Y2K problem ever was.
You're claiming knowledge that you couldn't possibly have.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 74 of 190 (886086)
05-05-2021 11:01 AM
Reply to: Message 66 by Sarah Bellum
05-04-2021 9:25 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
There were serious Y2K bugs and programmers caught every single one of them, fixed them and didn't tell anyone they'd prevented the sky from falling.
...or...
Well, they did tell us, or I wouldn't have known about it to tell the anecdote.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 82 of 190 (886495)
05-22-2021 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Sarah Bellum
05-20-2021 6:08 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
... as bugs go, it was mundane, rather than apocalyptic.
Winter in Saskatchewan without power IS apocalyptic.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 86 of 190 (886760)
06-05-2021 1:34 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by Sarah Bellum
06-05-2021 9:30 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Hmm, wasn't Global Warming supposed to alleviate that problem by now?
Don't make yourself look even stupider.
If global warming made the winter of 1999-2000 minus 25 instead of minus 30, how would that save any lives?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 88 of 190 (886966)
06-22-2021 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Sarah Bellum
06-22-2021 9:48 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
The idea that the globe is boiling is one thing. The idea that the winter is -25 rather than -30 is quite a different thing. And that's the point.
The point is that there is no apocalyptic difference between -25 and -30. Like there's no difference between beheading somebody and shooting him before you behead him. Dead is dead, at -25 or -30. You can't wish away global warming by claiming that -25 is "not as bad as" -30.
Sarah Bellum writes:
... no wonder I only check in here every month or so!
That's one way to avoid learning anything.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 93 of 190 (887133)
07-12-2021 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Sarah Bellum
07-11-2021 5:19 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
If social media is how you keep yourself "informed"...
It isn't. Where did you get that idea?
When I heard that there was fake news on Facebook, my first reaction was, "There's news on Facebook?"
My second reaction was, "What kind of idiot would get his news from Facebook?"

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 101 of 190 (887185)
07-21-2021 8:49 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Sarah Bellum
07-21-2021 6:15 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
Meaning I didn't check this particular social media site (evcforum.net) very often.
When they talk about social media on the news, they're not talking about EvC. Social media sites - e.g. Facebook, which I mentioned explicitly in the post you're replying to - are inherently subjective, which is why they are worthless as news sources. EvC tries to be as objective as possible, which makes it diametrically opposite to a social media site.
Sarah Bellum writes:
If you're not going to read my posts, why do you bother to respond to them?
Where on earth did you get that idea? I do read your posts. How else could I respond to them?

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 106 of 190 (887439)
08-03-2021 12:40 PM
Reply to: Message 104 by Sarah Bellum
08-03-2021 7:49 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
It's easy to respond to posts without reading them. Just click the "reply" button and let your fingers start typing whatever comes into their little minds. But it's kind of a drag to watch that sort of thing. So I don't come here that often.
I'd say your quite prone to that yourself. It's a drag to be caught doing it, which also may be a factor in you driving by infrequently.
Sarah Bellum writes:
As for "social media", if you're saying the EvC social media site is somehow more "reliable" as a source of information than FaceBook....
You're certainly welcome to show how unreliable EvC is.
As for "social media", you said in Message 91
quote:
If social media is how you keep yourself "informed"....
to which I replied in Message 93
quote:
It isn't.
and I continued,
quote:
When I heard that there was fake news on Facebook, my first reaction was, "There's news on Facebook?"
My second reaction was, "What kind of idiot would get his news from Facebook?"
End of post.
I was referring to Facebook and Facebook only, not EvC.

"I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing

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Message 123 of 190 (888128)
09-05-2021 2:32 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by Sarah Bellum
09-05-2021 11:48 AM


Sarah Bellum writes:
There's hardly any point in making an artificial distinction, FaceBook bad, EvC good...
It isn't an artificial distinction. EvC is fact-checked by its members, with links to the actual facts.
Sarah Bellum writes:
...four legs good, two legs . . .
You're misusing that image. The pigs started the "two legs bad" chant but then they became just like the two-legged villains. The equivalent would be EvC changing to become just like Facebook.
Edited by ringo, : Srelling.

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Message 137 of 190 (889391)
11-23-2021 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Sarah Bellum
11-21-2021 1:26 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
As far as I can see, the "fact-checking" in both places consists of some posters looking at other peoples' posts and doing some research (or not, as the case may be) before making replies to dispute (or agree with) those posts.
Look a little farther. As I said in Message 123, they provide links to the actual facts.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 142 of 190 (889480)
11-29-2021 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 141 by Tanypteryx
11-29-2021 11:11 AM


Re: Movie Quote
Tanypteryx writes:
As an observer it sure looks like people are getting stupider.
Homer Simpson said that whenever he learned something new, it pushed something else out of his brain. Maybe that applies collectively too: When one person becomes smarter, somebody else becomes stupider, to balance it out.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 153 of 190 (890177)
12-28-2021 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 147 by Sarah Bellum
12-27-2021 6:46 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:
People posting on Facebook post links all the time, to actual facts as often as posters do here.
Bullshit. Facebook has links to opinions more than facts.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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