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Author Topic:   Trump and Trump supporters keep using the Y2K Fallacy, and it is driving me crazy
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Message 41 of 126 (885681)
04-22-2021 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by ramoss
04-22-2021 9:52 AM


the thing you don't realize about the Y2K panic is that the reason nothing happened is the hundreds of thousands of hours many people put in to make sure nothing happened. The problem was there, but the effort to avert the problems was also there.

The company I worked for spent 2 years and several million dollars rebuilding their whole computer network to avoid Y2K. The university my wife worked at had a large team working for 2 years to avoid Y2K. World wide Billions of dollars were spent to avoid it!

And it was a success!


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If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 42 of 126 (885682)
04-22-2021 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Sarah Bellum
04-22-2021 4:52 PM


The improvements to computer systems were very important (the joke about computer programmers is that if carpenters built houses the way programmers program computers the first woodpecker would destroy civilization)

And yet 21 years later those programmers have managed to connect all of civilization.

I don't know what you were doing in the late 90s, but apparently it was not paying attention to a global threat to an already computerized world.

You diminishing the problem to a 105 year old grandma, blah, blah, blah, is bullsht!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 47 of 126 (885691)
04-22-2021 9:46 PM
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04-22-2021 9:26 PM


What about the 22 Aug 1999 bug when GPS faced its first 10K weeknumber rollover?

I don't remember what it was that occurred, but my first GPS was a used Magellan, really clunky, I bought it before a dragonfly road trip to New Mexico in 1995. It lost signal all the time. Anyway something changed within the GPS system and it would not receive after that.

Technology has to be managed. Humans have gotten really lazy, and crazy, and it's really starting to show. Denial of the problems will not fix them and will make them worse.

Your grasp of the history of this branch of technology is a pleasure to read!


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 59 of 126 (885995)
05-01-2021 10:48 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by Sarah Bellum
05-01-2021 9:33 AM


Thanks so much for fixing our error
Wow! Well done!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 62 of 126 (886050)
05-03-2021 1:24 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Sarah Bellum
05-03-2021 12:37 PM


Still, it makes me wonder. Suppose you went into a power plant, or a network of power plants and the associated distribution network, and changed the date on all the clocks to something incorrect. What would happen?

One of the worries was that the system would crash because the date was not recognized as a date by the program. If the program crashed that controlled critical infrastructure like a nuclear powerplant, it might take months to track down tens of thousands of lines of code that needed correction out of millions of lines of code, meanwhile no control programs are running.

At the company I worked for we were the primary supplier of zirconium fuel rods for nuclear reactors. One of our worries was that all the manufacturing and analytical records could be corrupted and void our government contracts. Humans make mistakes and prior errors by individuals had cost the company millions. Many of the manufacturing processes would have also been shut down indefinitely by computer crashes. Federal contracts have deadlines with fines for non-compliance. We avoided all the potential disasters by proactively acting.

Software problems can certainly cause catastrophes. They may also be mere nuisances. That's all the Y2K problem ever was.

That is factually incorrect.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 68 of 126 (886068)
05-05-2021 12:02 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by AZPaul3
05-04-2021 9:44 PM


There never really were any serious worries.

Well, after 21 years, it's no use worrying about them now.

And the obvious conclusion is, there are no problems facing the planet today. It's always interesting to have some chucklehead swear that something I was directly involved in didn't happen.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 75 of 126 (886100)
05-05-2021 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by AZPaul3
05-05-2021 12:45 AM


Your experiences can't be trusted.

What's strange to me is Y2K was not an unforeseen consequence, it was seen and predicted and groups of people all around the globe worked to avoid the consequences. Twenty one years later the whole world can see the measures that would have ended the covid-19 pandemic and refuses to make them mandatory. We can all see the juggernaut of climate change barreling down on us and half the planet or more denies it is even happening.

I continue to wonder what Sarah's agenda is in denying that there was a Y2K problem and that people actually fixed the problem? What is she going to deny next?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 77 of 126 (886109)
05-06-2021 11:44 AM
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05-06-2021 6:39 AM


Denying the existence of the y2k threat is just another example of that brainwashing agenda.

I call them the Trump's Moron Cult, but obviously it extends far beyond his influence, but he makes the perfect symbol of their stupidity and assholery.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 79 of 126 (886113)
05-06-2021 3:24 PM
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05-06-2021 12:18 PM


It's such a shame that people can and do fall for this stuff.

And embarrassing.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 89 of 126 (886976)
06-22-2021 6:24 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Sarah Bellum
06-22-2021 9:48 AM


no wonder I only check in here every month or so!

Why so often?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 92 of 126 (887124)
07-11-2021 11:01 PM
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07-11-2021 5:19 PM


don't matter as much as the predictions made in the 1980s the Maldives would be underwater within 30 years or predictions in the 1980s that New York City's West Side Highway would be submerged within 30 years or predictions at the turn of the century that within a few years children in the UK wouldn't know what snow is...

Who made these predictions? Why do they matter?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 102 of 126 (887186)
07-21-2021 8:56 PM
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07-21-2021 6:19 PM


Tanypteryx writes:

Why do they matter?

Sarah B writes:

It's in an earlier post of mine: https://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=20161&mpp=...

Who cares? I still don't understand why you think they matter?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 108 of 126 (887464)
08-04-2021 1:33 PM
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07-11-2021 5:19 PM


Sarah writes:

predictions in the 1980s that New York City's West Side Highway would be submerged within 30 years

Hurricane Sandy

Its storm surge hit New York City on October 29, flooding streets, tunnels and subway lines and cutting power in and around the city.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 116 of 126 (887559)
08-09-2021 7:25 PM
Reply to: Message 115 by dwise1
08-09-2021 7:16 PM


Re: Made for TV and denier distortions
Inhofe from OK. US senator.

Holding up a hamburger proving there is no hunger.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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