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Author Topic:   Trump and Trump supporters keep using the Y2K Fallacy, and it is driving me crazy
Tanypteryx
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Message 136 of 143 (889390)
11-23-2021 11:02 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by dwise1
11-23-2021 10:18 AM


This subtopic reminds me of a cartoon that I've saved away somewhere.

At an Al Gore presentation, one person in the audience turns to another and says, "But what if we save the planet and improve our lives immensely and it turns out to all be for nothing?"

Yep, I have that one saved too.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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ringo
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Message 137 of 143 (889391)
11-23-2021 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 127 by Sarah Bellum
11-21-2021 1:26 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

As far as I can see, the "fact-checking" in both places consists of some posters looking at other peoples' posts and doing some research (or not, as the case may be) before making replies to dispute (or agree with) those posts.


Look a little farther. As I said in Message 123, they provide links to the actual facts.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 138 of 143 (889393)
11-23-2021 4:18 PM
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11-21-2021 1:26 PM


Sarah Bellum writes:

As far as I can see, the "fact-checking" in both places consists of some posters looking at other peoples' posts and doing some research (or not, as the case may be) before making replies to dispute (or agree with) those posts.

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, "You are entitled to your opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts."

Some opinions are supported by unequivocal facts and therefore carry great weight. Then there's a whole spectrum of lesser opinion ranging all the way down to baseless speculation. We'll be suffering for years to come from the Trump years of alternative facts. A generation of Republican politicians have learned that to many people facts don't matter, and they're unscrupulous enough to take advantage of it. Democrats haven't a chance.

Everyone from all points of the political spectrum should be very concerned about the Republicans not for political reasons but because facts matter.

--Percy


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Message 139 of 143 (889394)
11-24-2021 9:13 AM
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11-23-2021 4:18 PM


Percy writes:
Everyone from all points of the political spectrum should be very concerned about the Republicans not for political reasons but because facts matter.

i was almost ready to exclaim "All Facts Matter!" as a new slogan when i remembered Kellyanne Conway's "alternative facts" shitbomb.

so maybe it should be "Real Facts Matter!"


"I'm the Grim Reaper now, Mitch. Step aside."

- xongsmith, 5.7d


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Message 140 of 143 (889471)
11-28-2021 11:25 PM


Movie Quote
From an old movie called Born Yesterday: A world full of ignorant people is too dangerous to live in.

—Percy


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Tanypteryx
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Message 141 of 143 (889478)
11-29-2021 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 140 by Percy
11-28-2021 11:25 PM


Re: Movie Quote
From an old movie called Born Yesterday: A world full of ignorant people is too dangerous to live in.

Unfortunately, it's the only world we have. As an observer it sure looks like people are getting stupider.


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 142 of 143 (889480)
11-29-2021 11:41 AM
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11-29-2021 11:11 AM


Re: Movie Quote
Tanypteryx writes:

As an observer it sure looks like people are getting stupider.


Homer Simpson said that whenever he learned something new, it pushed something else out of his brain. Maybe that applies collectively too: When one person becomes smarter, somebody else becomes stupider, to balance it out.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 143 of 143 (889487)
11-29-2021 4:06 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by ringo
11-29-2021 11:41 AM


Re: Movie Quote
Ok, I'm in a depressed mood but, ringo, thank you for give this old man the sweet remembrance of a past once forgotten.

Homer may be famous for it but I used it before Groening even knew how to spell Homer.

I would tease the little girls that with all I had to learn that week my brain had to cast off ballast and I feared in the wreckage I would lose the memory of her sweet attentions. She would kiss the leaking memories back into my head, my eyes, my nose, my lips.

Thank you, ringo.

So very much thank you.


Eschew obfuscation. Habituate elucidation.

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